Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In general I like the new system, or at least we can say that I'm happy that they finally decided to change this part of the game, as it was pretty annoying and time consuming.
But, even if the new system is quite different from the old one, looking better at it, I think it doesn't really change things THAT much... I mean, before we had a bubble with inside the tower and the modules we needed.
Now we have no bubble, but just the "modules (with other modules inside...)".
People that used a POS for more than just 1-2 things, will be forced to use some of the new structures at the same time, to have the same results.

So it might be cool and nice for all the people that were using a pos for simple stuff, but for most of the industrialists, or corps using POSes for industry, stage, storage, wh, whatever... will just have an increased confusion and workload.
I know that you can put different arrays even in a structure that is not specialized for that kind of array, but let's be honest... unless you manufacture/research /etc mostly for fun, you cannot do that. Indutry in EVE is very competitive, so industrialists cannot loose bonuses like that, and still make isks.
That's why they will use multiple specialized structures. Making it a hell to handle them all.

How to make things easier? more efficient?
Not so sure... looks difficult... but FOR SURE having to move stuff around in different structures with ships is going to be really really annoying and time consuming... not fun at all.
First of all, get rid of the 1000000000 hangars, that make things confusing. Just make one single hangar (or one single "set" of hangars, like in a station), that will be shared by ALL the arrays/services in that structure.
So, for example, I won't need to move the minearls around every time I wannt manufacture something. Simply all the specialized arrays will get the materials they need from the same hangar. Or different ones... just let us set the single arrays "preferences" about where to find the bpo/bpc and the materials they will use. Based on t he single array, not the single bpo in that single array...

Then, why not keep some of the basic ideas of the old pos?
The structures will work stand-alone perfectly fine, and mostly will be used like that. But for people that will need more than one, let them "link" the structures somehow... in a way that will be possible to share the storage of all the structures, and avoid 10000 flights from one structure to the other just to move materials or bpo.
For example there can be another structure that will be the "core" of those "space cities", that will just merge the storage of the different structures, and maybe act like a fuel tank too.... so the owner can just put all the fuel in a single place to keep online all his structures.
If it feels like it's too good, for example you can have to sacrifice one slot, or one rig, to create the link to the core, that can handle only a fixed amount of links.

I mean, it's nice to make people fly more, go around and whatever... but too much will just make people quit it, because not fun at all.... at least for me it's not fun to go back and forth from one structure to the other 1000 times, even if they are anchored almost at the same place.

do we know if we're looking at similar bonuses to current outposts for the XL structures?

I also have a question about the rigs on these structures. Are they going to be setup so a person can scoop them up without destroying the rigs or how can a person move a structure without destroying the items that are more valuable then the structure itself.

I would like 2 different assembly arrays:

Regular assembly array for most industry needs/products.
Capital shipyard.

All capital ships would need to be built in the capital shipyards. Think of your favorite Sci-Fi TV show/movie capital shipyard assault and model them as such.


Then, perhaps, limit all capital shipyards to Sovereignty space. The major wars sparked by assaulting opponent capital shipyards would be epic, and would give sov space a unique focus in the industrial world by providing capital products to the rest of New Eden.

Or always use the rounded down ME/TE value for copying or manufacturing calculations

Passive datacores? no.

Any change that takes away a player activity is bad. It's as simple as that.

I like the idea of creating a scientific version of ore sites. It's a way to shift the creation of these items away from passive NPC generation to active player involvement.

I see post after post referring to datacores being generated by passive research missions and how this should be removed. I am sitting here scratching my head. WTF? The number of datacores entering the economy from research agents is TINY. My understanding is that this was changed years ago, and most datacores now come from faction warfare loyalty point stores. I even checked my own research agents, which I haven't bothered talking to in over two years. I have accumulated enough research points to buy about 490 datacores from them. Worth about 50 million ISK on the current market. In two YEARS. get real, that won't even cover one day's worth of my invention jobs.

Where is the discussion about the real source of datacores, faction warfare?

I like this concept but perhaps take it a bit further. Use the same basic concept but but add in that you need an item. Whether its a ship, module, ammo/charge, or rig that correlates to that skill. Depending on the lvl of the object it provides the base modifier while your skill in that particular field adds to if not further multiplies it. Thus rendering cores at the appropriate rate. In this way a guy with excellent skills can use a fairly mundane object for obvious benefit while someone who did not have the the skill would have to shell out a ton of cash for an item cool enough to give them the same level of return.

It seems to me that this new structure idea is generally breaking up what used to be done in a single structure, into needing several different structures.

As an example, right now I'm running a medium POS, out of which I use a research lab to do ME and TE research on my BPO's, a design lab to make BPC's and invent T2 BPC's, a component assembly array to build some of the T2 components on the cheap, and an equipment assembly array to build the T1 and T2 items I'm going to sell.

Would it be correct to assume that when the new structures are implemented, I'll need two different structures, one for assembly and one for research? Will these need to be placed on different moons? Will they each have an upkeep/fuel cost required to run?

Agree about the spawning of datacore.the rest not so mutch when it coms to datacore gathering that is,hear is a tred on it https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270.thers no reson to wait years for change to R&D missions they all redy have the tools ingame for what i suggest in this tred,shud take them less than a week to implement if they relly want to.