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Ship for blitzing L3's

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Marchet Aggregator
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-04-28 23:58:13 UTC
Hi, I'm going to farm standing for some NPC corporations and I need a good fit for blitzing L3 missions. I can fly any ship sub-capital, much time ago when I started running missions I used a passive Drake, but it was a long time ago, missiles have been nerfed since that.

So I would like a gunboat (I'm tired of missiles travel time), thta is fast (speed) and fast at blitzing L3's and also cheap, because I'm a cheap carebear. Big smile
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-04-29 00:11:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Rail Tengu with HVO rigs (Proteus is not bad, but Tengu gets the range bonus making it better as damage projection is key)

When blitzing, you will spend the most time warping, so the bonused subsystem and the HVO rigs make T3s a very good choice for blitzing.

Also for your consideration:
Machariel
Cynabal
Raven (RHML fit with HVO rigs)
Ishtar

Good reading:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=408949
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=401998
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345580

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#3 - 2015-04-29 03:50:40 UTC
RHML Barghest.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Rexxorr
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-04-29 05:19:20 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Rail Tengu with HVO rigs (Proteus is not bad, but Tengu gets the range bonus making it better as damage projection is key)

When blitzing, you will spend the most time warping, so the bonused subsystem and the HVO rigs make T3s a very good choice for blitzing.

Also for your consideration:
Machariel
Cynabal
Raven (RHML fit with HVO rigs)
Ishtar

Good reading:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=408949
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=401998
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345580



Agree, Rail Tengu is the way to blitz lvl 3s.
Caligula Gaius Claudian
The Wrong Turn
Dracarys.
#5 - 2015-04-29 07:03:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Caligula Gaius Claudian
Nice discussion about tengu. Looks solid.
Cardinal T
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2015-04-29 17:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cardinal T
I wouldnt call a Tengu cheap. :P

If you are looking for a solid cheap ish ship you cant go wrong with the Navy Auguror nor the Navy Omen. In both the damage is insane and they are tough as nails. The Nomen is the mnore nimble of the 2 and it has more drones, but the Augurer is tougher and has potentially more damage from its guns at high levels of Amarr Cruiser skill

I set mine up something like this

4 Focused Medium Beam lasers (3 for the Nauguror, the Ship bonus increases their Damage.)

3 Capacitor rigs

Mwd and 2 Cap rechargers

800 Rolled tungsten plate
3 Heatsinks
MAR II
Reactive armour Hardener
EANM

I've done dozens of Level 3 missions with this setup as I was working on all 4 empires stanings to do their Epic arcs, and I never had any trouble with any of them. Just burn out to range and snipe them to death. Easy.

You could put heavy beams on the Nauguror for even more damage but I found the cap drain too heavy. Your milage may vary. Also pulses (aside from T2 with scorch ammo) gets you a touch too close to the action for my tastes and could result in you taking too much damage. Beams will do the job just fine.
Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2015-04-29 18:05:18 UTC
Cardinal T wrote:
I wouldnt call a Tengu cheap. :P
And I wouldn't call a T2 fit Tengu expensive, cheap is a relative term, without a budgetary number, requests for cheap are ignored.

But if we are talking sub 100 mil this is how I would do it (Requires EG-603 or CA-1 implant):

[Brutix, LVL 3]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II

250mm Railgun II
250mm Railgun II
250mm Railgun II
250mm Railgun II
250mm Railgun II
250mm Railgun II
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II


Hobgoblin II x5


"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2015-04-29 18:07:16 UTC
Mach, hands down.
Marchet Aggregator
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-04-29 21:10:13 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Cardinal T wrote:
I wouldnt call a Tengu cheap. :P
And I wouldn't call a T2 fit Tengu expensive, cheap is a relative term, without a budgetary number, requests for cheap are ignored.



It was my fault to don't say the maximum ISK, but a T3 it's too much ISK for a L3, the Tengu would be more than 300kk just for the hull and subsystems.

Let's say that the maximum would be something like 250kk, any new suggestion?
Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2015-04-29 21:15:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
If that is your budget, Ishtar or Cynabal

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-04-29 22:02:20 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Rail Tengu with HVO rigs (Proteus is not bad, but Tengu gets the range bonus making it better as damage projection is key)

When blitzing, you will spend the most time warping, so the bonused subsystem and the HVO rigs make T3s a very good choice for blitzing.

Also for your consideration:
Machariel
Cynabal
Raven (RHML fit with HVO rigs)
Ishtar

Good reading:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=408949
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=401998
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345580

Thanks for those links, I was wanting to look at something in that direction as well.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-04-29 23:37:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mach, hands down.


Surprisingly but Baltec didn't mention Megarhron...

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#13 - 2015-04-29 23:50:16 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Surprisingly but Baltec didn't mention Megarhron...

He likes his warp-speed enhanced ships.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2015-04-30 04:02:27 UTC
Marchet Aggregator wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Cardinal T wrote:
I wouldnt call a Tengu cheap. :P
And I wouldn't call a T2 fit Tengu expensive, cheap is a relative term, without a budgetary number, requests for cheap are ignored.



It was my fault to don't say the maximum ISK, but a T3 it's too much ISK for a L3, the Tengu would be more than 300kk just for the hull and subsystems.

Let's say that the maximum would be something like 250kk, any new suggestion?


seems like a completely arbitrary cutoff to me, but hey your time/isk. Plus the ishtar fits in there very well, and does a kick ass job! With the warp speed rig changes you can probably even throw something in the highslots. haven't tried a cynabal but with the warp speed it is probably decent. The complete lack of EHP bothers me a little, but usually not sitting around long enough to get noticed, and there isn't anything shiny on there, so probably okay.

[Ishtar, lv3 blitz]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script

Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge
Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet II x5
Acolyte II x5
Warrior II x5

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2015-04-30 04:20:11 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mach, hands down.


Surprisingly but Baltec didn't mention Megarhron...


I have yet to figure out a way to beat the machs blisteringly fast times.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-04-30 10:24:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
[Cynabal, Moonwalker] no implants. 7.82 AU, 487 DPS-3,467 ALPHA, heavy CPU load out. Costs 585m.

Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Domination 10MN Microwarpdrive
Optical Tracking Computer I, Tracking Speed Script
Optical Tracking Computer I, Tracking Speed Script
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
[Empty High slot]

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-04-30 11:36:11 UTC  |  Edited by: afkalt
baltec1 wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mach, hands down.


Surprisingly but Baltec didn't mention Megarhron...


I have yet to figure out a way to beat the machs blisteringly fast times.



And you wont*, because warp speed. If a ship had sufficient raw DPS and application to claw back the time lost in transit, it would be nerfed tomorrow Smile


*Actually a full gank astarte or 650mm sleipnir might get up there. I'd need to eft warrior some.


Ed: Astarte will be close, it'll depend on ranges/overkill. 12 (or 11 plus utility tractor beam) locked targets is beautiful though.


Or maybe a vulture...one to test later.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#18 - 2015-04-30 14:20:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Tiddle Jr wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mach, hands down.


Surprisingly but Baltec didn't mention Megarhron...



. . . . and he didn't mention my Tengu.


For the missions Stoic posted, my Tengu beat the Mach in almost every one!

I did post those results.

Even after the nerf on the ROF on rails, I stll could turn in better times.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-04-30 20:12:02 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:


. . . . and he didn't mention my Tengu.


For the missions Stoic posted, my Tengu beat the Mach in almost every one!

I did post those results.

Even after the nerf on the ROF on rails, I stll could turn in better times.

-Kirst


By the way, could you please share what subs are you using on your Tengu. Maybe i did miss but couldn't find those in threads. I'm trying to compare with Proteus bild up which Paranod Loyd suggested as a possible competitor.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#20 - 2015-04-30 21:14:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Ion Kirst wrote:


. . . . and he didn't mention my Tengu.


For the missions Stoic posted, my Tengu beat the Mach in almost every one!

I did post those results.

Even after the nerf on the ROF on rails, I stll could turn in better times.

-Kirst


By the way, could you please share what subs are you using on your Tengu. Maybe i did miss but couldn't find those in threads. I'm trying to compare with Proteus bild up which Paranod Loyd suggested as a possible competitor.


OK, here's everything:

Rigs: 3 x Hyperspatial Velocity Opt. II

HIghs: 6 x 250mm Rails II, Caldari Antimatter, before nerf 720dps, after nerf 670

Mids: 3 x Tracking Computer II, (optimal range/ tracking speed script)
Sensor Booster II, (Scan Res.)
Pith C-type MSB (this is the tank, and worked just fine in blitzing)
10mn MWD II

Lows: 4 x Federation MFS (or 3 and one Inertial Stab)

Sub systems:

Diss Seq.
Supp. Screen
Power Core
Mag Inf.
Grav. Cap

Implants: WS-610, MR-703, MH-805, SS-905, WU-1003

Even after I posted my results, I continued to blitz L3s, recording the results. The times posted are actually an average, so some times were actually faster.

I set up second Tengu just for L3s. It's a little beefer, a little slower, but does all L3s very, very easily, and fast.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

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