Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Looking at concords involvment in zkillboard suggests around that number for 4 hours but for the entire of hi-sec.

Its admittedly a rough count though. There is plenty of accidental concordokken and people being silly.

Giving us the ability to come here and discuss ideas and things that are important to us is a valuable feedback tool for CCP and I in no way have I or ever will I say that is bad. But here is the part that you missed because of reasons known only to you.

When it comes time to add, remove or change computer code thereby adding, changing or removing things from the game only CCP can make that decision and only CCP should make that decision.


My bias is to have CCP do a formal and very public review of ganking and to make the results of that as well as any changes they will or will not make to the situation public as a way of trying to calm some of the hate that gets passed around this issue. HAte that is witnessed by some of the many negative posts leveled at me simply for stating that it is time for a review and changes if/as CCP sees fit.


This response is guaranteed to put a serious twist in you Donnachadh is an anti-ganking moron line of thought.
I agree with this completely. Anyoe that does not take proper precautionary measures to avoid a gank DESERVES to die.




Did I call for further nerfs? Or is that just another of your overly sensitive reactions to someone than does not see eye to eye with you on a particular issue?
Because when you actually read the segment you quoted it simply states that it is time for a revue and adjustments as deemed appropriate by CCP. Who knows what the outcome of that review would be?
Yes it could result in further nerfs to ganking, then again it could result in CCP removing some of the current restrictions, or it could result in no changes at all.

And I still do not understand how the simple act of calling for a review and adjustments as CCP deems appropriate can in any way be assumed to be a call for further nerfs.

The fact that practically every CSM minutes has a session on suicide ganking and/or the related issues of highsec PvP. The fact the CCP Rise and CCP Quant just showed us at the last fanfest how they use the data that they have from game play and from exit surveys to measure suicide ganking and its impact on player retention. CCP clearly considers suicide ganking in the development of the game on a continual basis.

Eve Online turns 12 years old next week and suicide ganking has been there from the beginning. While I am sure CCP considers suicide ganking every time they significantly change ships or modules (or any major game change for that matter) to keep things balanced, what exactly do you think needs to be discussed about the actual presence of highsec criminals and suicide ganking in the game? 12 years is a long time so all the issues surround suicide ganking have long been known to the developers.

I think you are perhaps a bit spoiled by the unprecedented level of access the developers give us players to the behind-the-scenes development of the game. CCP does not owe us a regular review of a particular game mechanic - in fact most developers don't discuss these issues or release any stats at all. But for a game as old as Eve is, and for a mechanic that has been there since the beginning, I see no reason for a regular review of an intended mechanic that everyone at CCP seems fine with being in the game.

This is the game they are selling, and have been all these years. If you do not like it, there are plenty of other games to spend your money on.

I never said that you did. My post was pointing out that there is no need for a public and regular review of a mechanic that the developers have put in the game on purpose and that is has been there since the beginning. It is not in there by mistake. It is not there by an oversight. It is not even there because CCP is unable to fix it technically. It is there because the designers of Eve want it in the game. This has been confirmed multiple times over the last dozen years in many places. I do not see what there is to discuss or what you hope this "ganking commision" will find or how that will be a benefit to players.

CCP will change mechanics and rebalance ships as to what they think is best for the game. Sometimes that will nerf suicide ganking, sometimes that will buff it, but suicide ganking is an intended mechanic that has always been part of the game, and will always be at this point.

This again is your opinion. Remember, ganking is just one part of PvP, in just one area of the game.

Industry, a much broader part of eve than suicide ganking alone, does not get reviewed once a year.
AFK cloaking, a subject at least as contentious as ganking, does not get reviewed once a year
Cynos do not get reviewed once a year.
Sov space does not get reviewed once a year.
ships do not get rebalanced once a year.
WH's do not get reviewed once a year.
mining does not get reviewed once a year.
Planetary Interaction does not get reviewed once a year.


More than once a year is very frequent as far as features in the game go. But you saw how the whine-bears replied to CCP Falcon after he chimed in on a thread. There is more reason to think public reviews will have no effect on the frequency of whining than calm anything.



But its your decision to tell them it needs to be done, when and how often?



The contempt is less about asking for a review, its the arrogance in how you believe your opinion is fact and how you willfuly ignore that CCP do in fact take a step back and look at things once in a while, including ganking and ignore that when CCP do make public posts; whine bears tell them how badly they are ruining their own game, are just plain wrong and try to make them make changes based on fear for their jobs!

All without any evidence to back anything up i might add.