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Risk Aversion

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-04-28 14:45:40 UTC
The case for dank(er) replacement insurance.

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Mario Putzo
#2 - 2015-04-28 14:47:25 UTC
No thanks.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-04-28 14:50:13 UTC
I remember the days when ideas were in the body of the post and not some stupid link to a third party site.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-04-28 14:52:45 UTC
afkalt wrote:
I remember the days when ideas were in the body of the post and not some stupid link to a third party site.

But then there would be no pretty embedded pictures...which reminds me, post is missing something important...Thanks!

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-04-28 14:55:05 UTC
These kids and their need for pictures these days!!!

PAH! I say PAH!!!
Solecist Project
#6 - 2015-04-28 14:55:23 UTC
Sorry, can't agree at all.

For the most part people do not care about the money,
they care about losing.

It's not the blow to the wallet ...
... it's the blow to the ego.

For too many people it's about avoiding to realise one sucks.

Of course there are also people who avoid losing ships because of the costs ...
... but these people eventually learn how to make enough money not to care.

The comparison to E:D is rather weird.
E:D does not compare to EVE ONLINE.

It's your attitude that made you undock and go at him.

Carebears go to the forums ...
... real players go kick asses.

And besides... too low prices are bad ...
... and too high insurance is bad as well.

If you want to address risk aversion ...
... then don't make the same freaking mistake everyone does.

The ISKcentric way of thinking does not work.

It's faaar less about money ...
... and faaar more about ego.


.... sorry.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#7 - 2015-04-28 14:56:04 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
which reminds me, post is missing something important!
Gratuitous Jessica Alba?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-04-28 15:01:17 UTC

Feyd, it seems like you are suggesting we tackle risk aversion by removing risk. I'm a bit surprised that you are advocating this position.



Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
#9 - 2015-04-28 15:03:46 UTC
This is stupid.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-04-28 15:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Sibyyl wrote:

Feyd, it seems like you are suggesting we tackle risk aversion by removing risk. I'm a bit surprised that you are advocating this position.

Removing you say... Do we have insurance today?

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Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-04-28 15:06:05 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Sorry, can't agree at all.

For the most part people do not care about the money,
they care about losing.

It's not the blow to the wallet ...
... it's the blow to the ego.

For too many people it's about avoiding to realise one sucks.

Of course there are also people who avoid losing ships because of the costs ...
... but these people eventually learn how to make enough money not to care.

The comparison to E:D is rather weird.
E:D does not compare to EVE ONLINE.

It's your attitude that made you undock and go at him.

Carebears go to the forums ...
... real players go kick asses.

And besides... too low prices are bad ...
... and too high insurance is bad as well.

If you want to address risk aversion ...
... then don't make the same freaking mistake everyone does.

The ISKcentric way of thinking does not work.

It's faaar less about money ...
... and faaar more about ego.


.... sorry.
Roll

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Solecist Project
#12 - 2015-04-28 15:06:50 UTC
Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:
This is stupid.

No it's not.
His views simply are a symptom of the flawed, ISKcentric way of thinking.

Everyone is about materialism and no one looks at where it's coming from.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-04-28 15:08:16 UTC
I fear the risk-averse will remain risk-averse no matter what... Even if they get 100% of their ship refunded and something extra to make the pain go away.

Look at nullbear land, no amount of full SRP can make those bears any less risk averse than they already are.
(obligatory digg @ nullsec, love you guys)

I would love to know why people are risk averse. I think it isn't isk but am subscribing here to find out what it is.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-04-28 15:11:32 UTC
Danalee wrote:
I fear the risk-averse will remain risk-averse no matter what... Even if they get 100% of their ship refunded and something extra to make the pain go away.

Look at nullbear land, no amount of full SRP can make those bears any less risk averse than they already are.
(obligatory digg @ nullsec, love you guys)

I would love to know why people are risk averse. I think it isn't isk but am subscribing here to find out what it is.

D.

Bear

Alliances typically replace doctrine ships, lost during a fleet. Not sure a dude hopping in a Sleipnir and 1 v 1'ing someone gets SRP.

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Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-04-28 15:11:56 UTC
Why isn't everyone just like me?! It must be 'cause they have a personality disorder, character flaw
and intelligence hiccup!!

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-04-28 15:12:33 UTC

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Feyd, it seems like you are suggesting we tackle risk aversion by removing risk. I'm a bit surprised that you are advocating this position.

Removing you say...


Removal of 95% the risk is akin to total removal. And it wrecks the market.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-04-28 15:13:46 UTC
Just make insurance on T2 and Faction ships increase ... Even to 50% it's market value. Heck 25% it's market value.
Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-04-28 15:14:05 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Feyd, it seems like you are suggesting we tackle risk aversion by removing risk. I'm a bit surprised that you are advocating this position.

Removing you say...


Removal of 95% the risk is akin to total removal. And it wrecks the market.



are you saying that isk is the only thing at risk?

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#19 - 2015-04-28 15:15:01 UTC
TL;DC?
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-04-28 15:18:32 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Feyd, it seems like you are suggesting we tackle risk aversion by removing risk. I'm a bit surprised that you are advocating this position.

Removing you say...


Removal of 95% the risk is akin to total removal. And it wrecks the market.


Does 'better' mean it has to be 95%?

We have insurance today, already. Is there a middle ground of elasticity that both decreases risk-aversion while not melting down the markets? Are there additional ways to buff the market in cases that did happen, like NPC buy orders?

These are important questions, if someone is going to decry 'risk aversion' and lack of gudfights in EvE. I see lots of that, what I don't see is people confronting the elephant in the room, in that risk aversion is primarily driven by ship replacement costs.

IMHO.

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