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How do we increase PvP in C5 and C6?

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Accountant O'Death
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2015-04-26 21:34:36 UTC
What's actually wrong with wormholes? The thing is, we like how wormholes work and the fact that it's not K-space. Most wormholers can agree that what we find so attractive about wormholes is their randomness. Give us more randomness in other aspects. A random chance of an escalation not spawning or spawning multiple waves when it should only be spawning one. Random chance of not being able to jump a hole for a random time between 1 and 3 minutes because it's mass was temporarily disrupted by too many jumps/mass within an X amount of time. These are just examples of things that can be done to make changes to wormholes that correlate with the idea of living in the randomness of W-Space. These are not requests of change or suggestions but merely examples.
Calmatt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#122 - 2015-04-26 21:35:21 UTC
1. Remove/reduce cap escalation incentives, increase base site payout while also increasing difficulty.

2. Dual statics for higher class.

3. I'm not very impressed with the new rolling mechanics on spawn distance. I think we've given it a fair shot but I don't see it actually improving things, it just makes it harder to look for targets. Get rid of it.

I mean...those seem like the most realistic and highest potential ideas here.
Araikas Rhal
Hair-Trigger
#123 - 2015-04-26 21:53:55 UTC
Turd Destroyer wrote:
Dual statics for high class space. Look at the boon it has been for c4 space.


I very much agree here. More reliable exits, means more content usually ime.

I have always thought it would generate more player interaction if say connections had a higher chance to hit WHs with more activity as well. Yes, it would slightly kick carebears in the head, but if you are in WH space you should be ready for pewpew and ISK at the same time. See any Prolapse. Phoon fits lost, if we have any... we really BEARly (<<---- Im funny see?) run our own sites. Anyway, our PvE doctrine has points, ect. Mods you would also see on PvP ships for this reason. Thoughts?

I played other games in my past life. I must have done something wrong to be re-incarnated as an Eve player.
Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#124 - 2015-04-26 22:09:36 UTC
Aimee Arbosa wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
your*

Watch your tongue erino.


I think you mean you are tongueRoll

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Aimee Arbosa
Division 13
#125 - 2015-04-26 22:17:01 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Aimee Arbosa wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
your*

Watch your tongue erino.


I think you mean you are tongueRoll

I'd rather be tongue than teeth.

And I'm sure you're also glad.

Why are we shitting up this thread? This is serious business.

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Araikas Rhal
Hair-Trigger
#126 - 2015-04-26 22:20:16 UTC
Aimee Arbosa wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
Aimee Arbosa wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
your*

Watch your tongue erino.


I think you mean you are tongueRoll

I'd rather be tongue than teeth.

And I'm sure you're also glad.

Why are we shitting up this thread? This is serious business.


I'm not sure any thread is complete without Jester or at minimal TF shitting on it. In fact i only looked back to this because i saw the notification that Jester has posted something after me, and i was hoping he had **** all over my idea! Lol.

I played other games in my past life. I must have done something wrong to be re-incarnated as an Eve player.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#127 - 2015-04-26 22:21:00 UTC
A complicated thing:

You'd need to launch a deployable to trigger escalations in addition, the deployable creates and opens a hole to a little nebulae/pocket, void of anything but a bit of junk and the exit to the escalation wave.
If someone rolls his hole, two sigs (can) spawn: one static and one kickass huge sig into such a pocket. Additionally, a few more entrances appear scattered throughout w-space.

*Works throughout all of the classes to varying effect.
Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#128 - 2015-04-26 22:24:56 UTC
Araikas Rhal wrote:
Aimee Arbosa wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
Aimee Arbosa wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
your*

Watch your tongue erino.


I think you mean you are tongueRoll

I'd rather be tongue than teeth.

And I'm sure you're also glad.

Why are we shitting up this thread? This is serious business.


I'm not sure any thread is complete without Jester or at minimal TF shitting on it. In fact i only looked back to this because i saw the notification that Jester has posted something after me, and i was hoping he had **** all over my idea! Lol.


implying I'm taking time to read the dissertations of **** ideas people are posting in this thread. All class dual static is prolly the best idea tbh

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#129 - 2015-04-26 22:25:56 UTC
Aimee Arbosa wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
Aimee Arbosa wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
your*

Watch your tongue erino.


I think you mean you are tongueRoll

I'd rather be tongue than teeth.

And I'm sure you're also glad.

Why are we shitting up this thread? This is serious business.


I think I've seen a movie that vaguely relates to this before...

That feel when a random dusette alt has ******* 500 likes. goddamn RPers Evil

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#130 - 2015-04-26 22:29:08 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Aimee Arbosa wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
Aimee Arbosa wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
your*

Watch your tongue erino.


I think you mean you are tongueRoll

I'd rather be tongue than teeth.

And I'm sure you're also glad.

Why are we shitting up this thread? This is serious business.


I think I've seen a movie that vaguely relates to this before...

That feel when a random dusette alt has ******* 500 likes. goddamn RPers Evil

"random" Roll

"500 likes" Roll

Oh you kids.

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"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2015-04-26 22:33:34 UTC
Laserhawks said things about Hard Knocks Mum,

Hard Knocks said things about Isogen 5's Mum,

Isogen 5 said things about Prolapses Mum,

Prolapse said things about whoever else is in wormhole spaces mum,

whoever else said something about someone else's mum,

someone else said something about those guys mums.

have i created hate and pvp yet?

---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----

Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#132 - 2015-04-26 22:41:45 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
Aimee Arbosa wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
Aimee Arbosa wrote:

Watch your tongue erino.


I think you mean you are tongueRoll

I'd rather be tongue than teeth.

And I'm sure you're also glad.

Why are we shitting up this thread? This is serious business.


I think I've seen a movie that vaguely relates to this before...

That feel when a random dusette alt has ******* 500 likes. goddamn RPers Evil

"random" Roll

"500 likes" Roll

Oh you kids.


I feel so inadequate when I look at your likes Oops

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Ilaister
Binary Aesthetics
#133 - 2015-04-26 23:45:50 UTC
This seems nicely done to death. Fremen is a madman for considering handing ideas like that over to a CSM but at least it's sparked a debate.

People need to look to themselves to fix highclass PvP - the comments about culture are bang on, mechanics should not be leaned on to fix it.

There is a reason many PvP groups are moving, or already have moved, back down to lowclass space. In this humble wormholer's opinion it has very little to do with the blue pretzel. More an unwillingness, (or incabability?) for groups in that space to self-limit themselves.

Why should they in a sandbox?

Because we end up with threads like these.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#134 - 2015-04-26 23:51:57 UTC
Ilaister wrote:
People need to look to themselves to fix highclass PvP - the comments about culture are bang on, mechanics should not be leaned on to fix it. .

I couldn't agree more.

The problem is though how can anyone change a culture when a) Half of it's subjects don't even recognise it and b) Nobody wants to go to any effort to change how they do things. The culture won't change, even my corporation is in the midst of a move that will take it even deeper into this culture. *shrugs*

I don't like it one bit, and look fondly on the old days when it was every group for themselves (with maybe one or two friendly corps for emergency batphones). But it seems to be just the way it is, the natural evolution of things. I can't see any other solution to the original complaint than a mechanical solution because we wormholers will never be able to change each other's mindset. We can't even discuss a topic without utterly disagreeing. Lol

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Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#135 - 2015-04-27 00:11:01 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Ilaister wrote:
People need to look to themselves to fix highclass PvP - the comments about culture are bang on, mechanics should not be leaned on to fix it. .

I can't see any other solution to the original complaint


obviously the only solution is to post

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Ilaister
Binary Aesthetics
#136 - 2015-04-27 00:12:38 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Ilaister wrote:
People need to look to themselves to fix highclass PvP - the comments about culture are bang on, mechanics should not be leaned on to fix it. .

I couldn't agree more.

The problem is though how can anyone change a culture when a) Half of it's subjects don't even recognise it and b) Nobody wants to go to any effort to change how they do things. The culture won't change, even my corporation is in the midst of a move that will take it even deeper into this culture. *shrugs*

I don't like it one bit, and look fondly on the old days when it was every group for themselves (with maybe one or two friendly corps for emergency batphones). But it seems to be just the way it is, the natural evolution of things. I can't see any other solution to the original complaint than a mechanical solution because we wormholers will never be able to change each other's mindset. We can't even discuss a topic without utterly disagreeing. Lol


You're right. I see the same things and I don't have the answer or I'd still be herding cats in C5 space. I suppose again, at least we are talking about the problem.

For me it comes down to leadership. Laziness, burnout and the desire for instant gratification is intractable and draws people to larger groups. Wspace is hard. This is known. You can ask this though; how many CEOs tell their recruiters to switch off the taps (or more likely given normal wspace groups' size, stop themselves) before things get out of control?

Strong leadership exists in wspace just as null, but I think it comes down to one thing really. People have to be willing to lose. Accept the risk and embrace it.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#137 - 2015-04-27 00:26:04 UTC
Good points. ^^

Anyway, just wanted to contribute some thoughts that weren't merely bickering and blaming, which seems to be a good 75% of this thread so far lol.

Andrew Jester wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Ilaister wrote:
People need to look to themselves to fix highclass PvP - the comments about culture are bang on, mechanics should not be leaned on to fix it. .

I can't see any other solution to the original complaint


obviously the only solution is to post

Obviously. Duh.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#138 - 2015-04-27 00:31:39 UTC
post for a solution ezpz

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#139 - 2015-04-27 00:36:14 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
post for a solution ezpz

Easy.

You come back to w-space and start a C5 corp.

Then everyone will have something to shoot at.

Also, I got wed/thur/fri off and will have 5 catalysts standing by.

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Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#140 - 2015-04-27 00:43:27 UTC
I'm going to hope something pops up that we can shoot... May have to scrape the bottom of the barrel tho ;v;

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy