Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No they AFK mine because they are likely at their computer doing something else and figure with mining it can be done [semi] AFK.

Amazingly, I don't use isboxer or any other such tools, I have plenty of isk and I don't feel like I need to get isboxer to "remain" competitive...

By the way, we aren't competing with the people you are worried about. After all, they are only sitting in anoms all day long. In fact, I can defeat them and all I is a brand new character who spent just enough time to fit a prototype cloaking device then get said character in their ratting system at a safe and cloaked up. Then after a few days I come to the forums and read their rage posts.

Seriously, your monomaniacal focus on just isk as the only metric to who wins Eve is tiresome.

Interesting to me that the only major part of the eve economy you participate on this list is not included. If anything I'd wager that you have tons and tons of stockpiles of items you can sell after the proposed changes for a substantial profit. Because of that, it is easy to see your proposed changes would do nothing but make your wallet richer, and everyone else poorer.

-1 Your PvE fatigue issue will have 0 (zero) positive affects on the game, but the negative affects will be huge.

-1 When cap ship pilots run into fatigue related restrictions they have a choice, jump into sub-caps and keep playing or sit out the timer and do nothing. The point being they have a choice. When a PvE player runs into your ridiculous fatigue timer they have no choices but dock up and do nothing or simply log off to wait out your timer. Oh and I can see your post now and the answer is no this WILL NOT drive players to PvP(shoot other player ships definition inserted here). Those who enjoy shooting other players do so, those who do not never will.

-1 I spend most of my time working with new players which means I spend most of my game time flying lvl 4 missions to boost THEIR standings and ISK earning abilities and this idea would put a severe limitation on my ability to do that. How does this help the game overall?

-1 There are areas of concern regarding all of the various flavors of PvE activities in EvE but this idea is a band aid patch intended to restrict a players ability to do what they want and it does nothing to solve the reasons why these troubled areas exist.

-1 Simply because fatigue was and is a needed step to control the PvP activities in nul and rejuvenate that portion of the game does not mean that the same idea can or should be applied to ALL areas of the game. Nul presents a very unique set of circumstances and challenges to CCP that simply do not exist in any other area of the game and it required a unique solution.

-1 If botting is a problem in the PvE area then come up with ideas that address that specific issue instead of putting a crimp in every ones game play style.

I get the feeling the OP is one of those cap ship pilots that often runs into fatigue timer restrictions on his game play and simply wants to force this onto others. Got an idea for you, adapt your game play to the PvE way and enjoy endless hours of doing whatever you want with no fatigue problems in sight.

Apply to trading. Modify an order once per 24H

How'd you like them apples, OP?

I can't believe that some people are so dumb to mention trading despite I explicitly told not to. Trading creates no ISK or material of any kind. Can only be performed via interacting other player. If you are left alone while trading, you make zero ISK, while you make maximum ISK if left alone while doing PvE.

Also, this suggestion would decrease trading income, as less materials would be traded and more people would turn to trading after their PvE time is out.

This depends on what you make....and how you make it. I made a fair bit skipping the pvp part of the market you are on about. I'd say I have x runs of item(s) x,y,z from invent when in a player corp. People buying up a whole bunch of production runs (edit: edit at fair discount I gave over market) were doing me a favor. Burned bpc's knowing I had it sold before its even in the oven...and I skipped the whole jita isk war mess. Lost mil here and there worth the dealing with less crap really. Tl;Dr....I worked a PwP angle. Player with player lol.


Also your goal seems to be shutting down the guy making 50 mil an hour for 10 hours. Tied to the above...this happens quite easily in manufacturing and trading. IF the goal is the shutting down the evil care/null bear....well shut down all the avenues.
Wouldn't make the idea less crappy...but it be complete in its intent. I like complete ideas. At least everyone gets a bite of the crap sandwich. Instead I am going with 6 years in with potential market spikes on pve content drop items I can work some market speculation games. What is the angle you are working is something we have to wonder.

I am under this situation. My eve is pve because its all I can really do. Might be on for 2 hour here and there if that.


I did pvp for a bit. While enjoyable it can be time consuming. waiting for form ups can and was burning up 1/4 to 1/2 of my game time alone. A reason why I left 0.0 tbh. Other reason is that if its near my bedtime, stuck in the depths of space and op not looking to end I'd log off. And place bets on my chance of making it back alive solo the next time I login.

BS ops? I have never lost a BS to pvp combat at least by another player tbh. Now self destructs when stuck in a safe and no fleet coming to tag along with days later....that I have done many times. better SD than dying like a muppet to camps in an unscouted bs. Former I don't crap up the KB with dying like a tard and getting the usual chats that can result.


I just got too old and too responsible at work to be useless drained from very short sleep cycles playing eve till the wee hours of the morning. Weekends I got a 5 year old son who has the oddest behavior. 5 days a week its a fight from hell to get him out the bed and ready for daycare around 0630. Weekend though....he gets up before that all by himself. then gets us....I can do more before 0800 on a Saturday than some people do all day lol.

the issue is the fact that CCP would need to first announce the change first, which would lead to mass hording of supplies and from there eve becomes a seller's market.

I'll reiterate what I said earlier, either have timers on PVE and PVP (ship combat/engagement) or have neither at all. It's not fair for the rest of us who don't want to pvp and would rather quit.

Hauling, inventing and the like would be impacted because the farming would be impacted. Look, go back and re-read your economics on general equilibrium theory. ALL markets are connected. All of them. Even if you don't participate in say the datacore market, if that market is impacted it will have consequences BEYOND the datacore market. This isn't high level economics. You don't need to have studied dynamic models using optimal control theory or get out something like Kakutani's fixed point theorem...this is something you learn in your second semester of undergraduate economics. You know where you start to learn about complementary and substitute goods and that markets are interconnected.

Go back to graphing time series data and drawing dubious causality conclusions from that nonsense.

2 things....

I will assume his exploration and such is what gives some items to haul and sell. Probably helps pay for the build process too. Its like an ecosystem....you affect one area, others feel it too. I am not the market master I once was for sure....my rat killing pve funds my side indy stuff more now.


You also have not adequately explained why these activities need to be exceptions in the first place. Besides a rather vague well they are pvp like since player interaction. With this rather vague concept....all pve is pvp.

The 0.0 CA farmer undocked to do that farming.

Flew x systems to his fishing hole, that is x gates to catch him on (player interaction there).

In that system for 5 hours....that's 5 hours for roams to try for the km (player interaction there again).

No camps put up, no roams to hunt....its not the players fault. Its more the fault of game mechanics that makes massive blue balls a necessary evil in this game. Which is beyond the scope of this thread....also not fixable by pve timers either lol.

Low/wh...same thing. Not even touching empire since you will say anti gank ccp and such. I am talking roam has pure concordless access (off gates in case of low) to teach that farmer a lesson.

Here we get an aspect of pvp some do not like but it is part of the concept of pvp all the same. this aspect is trying not to die is also pvp. The hunter wants the prey. they prey does not want to die. Its now time to see who wants what they want more. Is the prey better at avoidance than the hunters at hunting? On both parties to work that out for themselves at that point.