Wormholes

I held off posting here because I wanted to see the level of stupid come out first and it didn't take long at all. There is so much useless hating on LZHK's, HK and SSC like they are the big bad guys here and its disturbing really, you all need to perhaps look at all the groups that are the same size as these 3 groups and I will list them all below.

All these groups are the equals of the "BIG 3" you all want to hate on and yet all you do is say that HK and LZHK's need to fight each other? (Like they don't already? WTF) Why are these other groups not being as aggressive as the big 3? Why do they not seed and log off trap escalation fleets?

You can't honestly hate on them just because they have better leadership then your corp or that your corp is sitting idly closing statics and farming away in peace and quiet in your home wh. These guys are out there scouting and staying up well beyond their main TZ for a shitload of hours to get the action that they get.


288 :LZHK's
340 :HK
408 :SSC
205 :EXIT
380 :NOHO (Pre cascade)
298 :TDSIN
634 :-LOW- (**** me, Talocan united 2.0)
270 :KICK
290 :WHBOO
283 :ADHC
282 :ARCLI
326 :TLC
339 :CARTH
344 :OI
271 :BAERS
247 :DAM

5205 :TOTAL

Now if you look at this total of 5205 from 16 Corps/Alliances and imagine that they all split into 50-100 man corps how wonderful wh space would be, it would be a glorious land of pew pew, butterflies and milk and cookies for all.

Yeah you guessed it it just isn't going to happen. It is absurd to think it would as much as I think we would all love it, human nature tells us that groups would always out scale the box to be bigger then the other and can you really blame them with the dangers of WH space.

While we all want a magic mechanic change to fix wh space i don't think you have at all thought about how game breaking they are for the rest of wh space, the ideas listed in the OP that got suggested to Corbexx are absurd. Like you can't actually be serious you want more isk for home wh's? Or forever safety getting podded back to your home tower mid fight or mid siege? I am very surprised i havn't seen wh stabaliser mentioned yet...

The only sensible idea we have had here is nerfing escalations into the ground! It needs to happen and sooner the better, the amount of groups that just close off their home WH's so they can farm in a massively increased area of safety is out of control and leads to these groups being cut off from all the other wh groups for hours on end. Not to mention how many of these groups all have a large number of alt wh's set up just for escalations to maximize their income while pvp'ing in their main chain (Empty C5 magnetar anyone?...).

If you want more content then what you really want is more chains open and that means reduce the need to close all your static wh's, nerf escalations. When nerfing escalations I think we also need to raise significantly the isk gained in all sites to encourage people to risk it more in the open like is done significantly more in low class wh's, make it worthwhile again to see Maraurder gangs everywhere.

Secondly i think we really do need to entertain the idea of dual static C5/6's. A lot of pvp wh groups simply won't run PVE on their mains in their main WH group, it isn't done because they understand what doing escalations does to your killboards (It closes chains for hours and ******* ruins your pvp opportunities)

Give all C5/6's a second static and this will allow them more options for members to make a little isk in the now increased ISK in static wh farming while keeping remaining pvp opportunities open to them at all times. People will still naturally want to close these off for safety and thus increasing their risk exposure to make that isk safely, and please don't say dual statics will ruin high class space you only need to look at how great C4's are now to prove my point.

Dual static would be sweet, the more I think about it. I would hope Rage would become a c5-c5/c6.

But I think it would really help balance pvp and pve for people that are not on the same level as some. You could have 1 chain and people scan it down for all the PVE sites they can shake a stick at and the other chain be rage rolled and scanned out for good null chains, for the roamers.

OR simultaneous rage rolling for BEARS :D

Good thing that all of those groups purge inactive members, and we all know that the amount of toons is the perfect example of how many people you got.
Not to mention that you linked some groups which only pve, and are on pair with W-Space citizen (which has 700members, mind blowing). The fact that you listed LOW shows how desperate you are to prove a point/defend what has been happening.

3 of the groups you linked died/moved to lower class wormholes/ are moving to lower class wormholes as we speak.
One of them is getting evicted by the cfc as we speak.
From all the stated groups the 3 cfc amigos are the only ones who can get 50+ people in fleet without any problem (due to their aggressive purged-if-not-active rules), not to mention QEX, which are the capital powerhouse of high class wormholes.

If I'm wrong, link material to prove otherwise.

Dual statics would just kill wormholes even more, as it would take less time to roll the static and remote roll in the second static, in order to seed more stuff, so you wouldn't have to split your main fleet into 2 wormholes to get the same effect.

This

WH space doesn't have money moons pocos or sov for content.

The content is purely player driven.

https://zkillboard.com/ranks/recent/killers/

I can only speak for my corp HK as I am not in lazerhawks or ssc, but HK has the some of the most dedicated hardworking content creators in the whole of eve these people are not providing content for thousands of players like null sec entities but just a couple hundred accounts.

The reason WH CFC is successful is because of driven hardworking individuals in a challenging sandbox environment with few tangible conflict drivers.

Make conflict drivers for wspace.

If the WH CFC ends up controlling them how is that different to nullsec? at least there would be something else to fight for as it is you can evict people sure but its not hard for them to set up shop in one of the other 600 WH's in c5/6 space and remain as another entity.

Also please double the number of null/lowsec roaming holes to bring more pvper's into w space in the first place.

For Noobman this is just right click convo.

Post with you're main.

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Grrrr... Hard Knocks.
No seriously - people need to stop making Hard Krabs/Quantum Hawks/etc. responsible for everything going on in highclass and instead look at what they can do themselves to create content.
Sure, it's not nice that they tend to blob the ever-living cr*p out of people and I wouldn't want to fight them either anymore with the numbers they can throw around, but they aren't the only people left in w-space you can fight and they are certainly not responsible for anything but their own content.


Mechanically I think there are a few things that could be changed to help with PvP, but none of that can be the saving grace if people don't get off their lazy arses and start doing stuff.

*W-space in general is too big for the amount of people living there atm. It's roughly the size of sov null, but with less active people and without the luxury of being able to just fly to where the bright spots light up on the map.
Shrinking it might be hard but maybe it would be possible to make it more likely (but not guranteed ofc) for a new wormhole to connect to a system when it has people active and as such artificially shrink w-space without actually removing systems.

*High class needs more connectivity. (and by that I don't mean those useless frig holes)
When I think about why we (Ixtab) left our C5 for a C4 it's mostly the better connectivity of the dual static and low class in general. From our C5 the chains would often look like Home->empty C5-> empty C5->C3->HS, where as our C4 chains now look more like this (which isn't even scanned down completely because people were lazy that day^^).

Since i came back to eve and wormhole space i have noticed that there is less mid class corps/alliances than we had back in 2013/14. Most of c5 space consists of farming holes or dead systems.

- Replace frigate holes with null sec ones.
- Make farming in the shattered holes more rewarding and less rewarding in the normal ones.
- Spawn lower class sites in higher class wormholes, enables recruitment of pilots with less sp that are eager to learn and pvp
- Alliance bookmarks (never seen that request). Small groups could then join forces and move to higher class wormholes and still run their corps the way they want.

There has and there will always be a few powerhouses in wh space that will out number most corps 3-1. You don't have to fight with them if you don't want to or have the numbers to do so. Just sit in your pos and smile and wave, keep in mind that they are likely to have 20-40 ppl to entertain and they will roll for a new chain if they don't get anything out of it.

If you get ganked running sites by them well **** you had a bad day. We gank anything we se running sites and most of the time we out number the person 10-1. Just how ganking works in this game.

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