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Where to get BPOs for Ammunition?
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Mullersmutt
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#1 - 2015-04-25 18:25:46 UTC
Hey all, thanks for reading. I am aware that I will probably get a bit of flak by way of "just search the forums instead of posting a new thread", but I have, and I can't find the info I am looking for.

So, I have read a bit into manufacturing/production and research, and while I understand the loose process, I am stuck at the beginning. All I want to do, at least for now, is have the BPO for maybe 3 or 4 types of Tech1 Medium Projectile Ammunition. Research them a bit, and then use them along with some mining to make my own ammunition for, on average, 1/3rd the price of the market.

Problem is, I don't understand the origins of BPOs. I have been told to buy them off the market, but I wanted to know WHERE the players who are selling these BPOs actually get them in the first place? Or are the BPOs on the market seeded by NPC corps? And how do I tell the difference between an original, NPC-sold BPO on the market, and a player selling the same BPO for a higher price?

Thanks for any information. I am at work agonizing about how I will get this started when I get home tonight.
Charlie Nonoke
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#2 - 2015-04-25 18:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Charlie Nonoke
It's simple.

Most players have their BPOs bought from NPCs.
The NPC BPOs are sold near their faction market hub, and the big giveaway is the nicely rounded price, like 5 000 000, and have an order expiry of 365 days, or slight less. All human orders are maximum 90 days.

The BPOs which are sold on the market which are NOT by NPCs are humans who are marking up the price for the convenience of others. These can only be unresearched BPOs.

The NPC BPOs are always a set price, with a nice round figure.

Once researched, the BPO can no longer be sold on the market, and can only be sold via contracts.

For obtaining your BPOs, it doesn't matter where you buy them, as long as you buy an unresearched BPO for equal or less than the NPC price, you're golden. In order to find the NPC price.
http://www.evemarkethelper.net/EMP%20M%20Blueprint/LiveMarket is a good example for your EMP M BPO.
Green highlights are the NPC prices.
Mullersmutt
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#3 - 2015-04-25 18:40:54 UTC
Charlie, you damn hero.

Thank you so much, that is so useful for me.

So for instance, if I am looking for medium projectile ammo BPOs sold from an NPC, I need to go to whichever largest market hub is in Minmatar space?
Charlie Nonoke
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#4 - 2015-04-25 18:48:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Charlie Nonoke
Looking at http://www.evemarkethelper.net/EMP%20M%20Blueprint/LiveMarket the NPC price is 400k ISK, so you should never pay more than that for the UNRESEARCHED BPO, you can find them in the Heimatar region.

And no, don't go to Hek to get them, because those will be marked up for lazy people, the cheapest places, are 2-3 jumps from that system. Usually they are in the newbie starting areas.

But that site gives you all the locations or anything you ever wanted.
Mullersmutt
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#5 - 2015-04-25 18:52:27 UTC
Lovely, beautiful! Thank you, this helps immensely. Kind of excited to start research, now.
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2015-04-25 19:17:50 UTC
Charlie Nonoke wrote:
And no, don't go to Hek to get them, because those will be marked up for lazy people, the cheapest places, are 2-3 jumps from that system. Usually they are in the newbie starting areas.
Keep in mind time is isk, if the price is not considerably higher it may be worth it to buy at the marked up price. If you have to travel 10 jumps to save 100K, it is well worth the time saved to buy it marked up.

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Mullersmutt
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#7 - 2015-04-25 19:23:43 UTC
That's true, I mean when it comes down to it, I will be saving so much ISK making my own ammo and trading it for Republic fleet that 100k or so more to save jumps is more than worth it.
Kyra Lee
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-04-25 19:55:13 UTC
Also do not think that the minerals you mine are free, despite what some people will tell you. As Loyd pointed out time=isk. You should figure up how much isk you will save yourself by mining for an hour vs whatever it is that you are using this ammo for. I suspect running missions. I can't imagine that mining and making your own ammo is more cost effective than buying your ammo from the market and running more missions. Good luck to you though!
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2015-04-25 23:22:36 UTC
Select BPO, look at bottom of page for sellers.

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/market.php?group_id=2

You can also check EVE-Central, though you may have to enter the name in full when searching, "... blueprint I"
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-04-26 00:53:34 UTC
Mullersmutt wrote:
That's true, I mean when it comes down to it, I will be saving so much ISK making my own ammo and trading it for Republic fleet that 100k or so more to save jumps is more than worth it.


you probably won't. making ammo isn't very profitable.
Mullersmutt
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#11 - 2015-04-26 00:57:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mullersmutt
Gilbaron wrote:
Mullersmutt wrote:
That's true, I mean when it comes down to it, I will be saving so much ISK making my own ammo and trading it for Republic fleet that 100k or so more to save jumps is more than worth it.


you probably won't. making ammo isn't very profitable.


As I stated a couple times, I would be making it for myself instead of having to buy it. With unresearched BPOs and the cost to trade in with LP, I will be saving about 66% ISK as opposed to buying it off of the market.

But also as I addressed below, when I move up to L4s, I'm sure my time will be better spent running missions as opposed to mining for ammo resources.
Mullersmutt
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#12 - 2015-04-26 00:58:24 UTC
Kyra Lee wrote:
Also do not think that the minerals you mine are free, despite what some people will tell you. As Loyd pointed out time=isk. You should figure up how much isk you will save yourself by mining for an hour vs whatever it is that you are using this ammo for. I suspect running missions. I can't imagine that mining and making your own ammo is more cost effective than buying your ammo from the market and running more missions. Good luck to you though!


I am stuck in level 3s right now for the near future, so for the next couple of weeks it will very likely be more cost effective for me. When it gets to 4s and I am making substantially more per mission, I will probably revert back to buying it.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-04-26 06:17:33 UTC
66% of not very much still isn't very much
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-04-26 12:00:31 UTC
Mullersmutt wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
Mullersmutt wrote:
That's true, I mean when it comes down to it, I will be saving so much ISK making my own ammo and trading it for Republic fleet that 100k or so more to save jumps is more than worth it.


you probably won't. making ammo isn't very profitable.


As I stated a couple times, I would be making it for myself instead of having to buy it. With unresearched BPOs and the cost to trade in with LP, I will be saving about 66% ISK as opposed to buying it off of the market.


I'm guessing you're not looking at a trade hub price then. If you account for mineral prices (and you absolutely should or you're cheating yourself), most T1 ammo barely breaks even with a fully researched BPO

If we look at Jita prices for Phased Plasma M as an example, with a full researched BPO (ME 10), 1 run's worth of ammo (100 rounds) costs around 6000 ISK to build (materials and fees) and sells for around 6600 ISK.

That's a 10% saving by making it yourself and that 10% savings is likely to be eaten by the time required to buy/mine the ore, move it to a manufacturing site, fetching the finished ammo, etc, etc
Mullersmutt
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#15 - 2015-04-26 18:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mullersmutt
Gilbaron wrote:
66% of not very much still isn't very much


True
Mullersmutt
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#16 - 2015-04-26 18:16:03 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Mullersmutt wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
Mullersmutt wrote:
That's true, I mean when it comes down to it, I will be saving so much ISK making my own ammo and trading it for Republic fleet that 100k or so more to save jumps is more than worth it.


you probably won't. making ammo isn't very profitable.


As I stated a couple times, I would be making it for myself instead of having to buy it. With unresearched BPOs and the cost to trade in with LP, I will be saving about 66% ISK as opposed to buying it off of the market.


I'm guessing you're not looking at a trade hub price then. If you account for mineral prices (and you absolutely should or you're cheating yourself), most T1 ammo barely breaks even with a fully researched BPO

If we look at Jita prices for Phased Plasma M as an example, with a full researched BPO (ME 10), 1 run's worth of ammo (100 rounds) costs around 6000 ISK to build (materials and fees) and sells for around 6600 ISK.

That's a 10% saving by making it yourself and that 10% savings is likely to be eaten by the time required to buy/mine the ore, move it to a manufacturing site, fetching the finished ammo, etc, etc


It may be that I haven't been buying at market hub price. At 660 ISK per round, I would have to agree that manufacturing it really wouldn't be worth my time. I was buying 10+ jumps away (for convenience) at 2.5x that price before.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#17 - 2015-04-28 00:25:12 UTC
Making your own ammo can be a good introduction to Industry, even if it's not saving you much money.

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2015-05-04 16:08:44 UTC
Way back when I was a noob, I made my own ammo from reprocessed mission loot. I did this because I was salvaging my missions anyway. May as well haul the loot, too. It made me feel good.

This is not as viable as it used to be due to the Crius nerf to Scrapmetal Reprocessing.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY