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Time to end inter-empire wars? A call for federated Union of Hi-Sec.

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Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-04-25 13:10:17 UTC
Times are changing in New Eden. Threats from Null-sec, Pirate factions, seekers, drifters, and the return of the Jove placing new and menacing threats on the established orders of the Hi-sec empires. It may be time for them to unite or die.

Barriers between the old Established empires have become blurred, movement of peoples and intermarriages are now common, I only have to look at my own family to illustrate this.

My grandfather was a Caldari diplomat (retired) sent to Amarr to negotiate terms and trade agreements to cement the old alliance against the Gallente. Whilst in Amarr, he met and married a fellow diplomat of Amarrian origin, and later they were both sent to Gallente in an attempt to de-escalate tensions and work on trade and peace ties - counter to their earlier career goals, but building on their experiences of building peace and trade between two empires.They became very successful negotiators, promoting links between the non warring divisions and trade groups between the three empires.

While living and working in Gallente controlled space, My Grandparents had three sons. The eldest - my uncle - gained a place at a top Amarrian university through the patronage of relatives on his mothers side of the family. The middle brother - my father - obtained a similar position in a Caldari University due to his fathers links with the old trading corporations, while the youngest brother fell in love at an early age with a Gallente girl and refused to leave Gallente space, where he too gained a position in a high ranking university, later marrying his childhood sweetheart.

Each of these brothers have now grown up, and had children of their own. They have followed the family tradition of joining the diplomatic services of the three great empires. 3 of these children, myself and 2 cousins were identified and selected from an early age to become capsulers. My eldest cousin lives in Amarr space, and is 3/4 Amarrian 1/4 Caldari. I myself am 3/4 Caldari and 1/4 Amarrian, while our younger cousin living in Gallente space is 1/2 Gallente, 1/4 Amarrian, 1/4 Caldari.

I have little knowledge of Minmatar, having been too young to experience this proud nation as subject slaves, but I am aware of Minmatar blood in the lines of my Gallente cousins new family, his wife is 1/4 Minmatar through her grandparents.

My family is by no means unique, and I have come across many of my generation that have mixed parentage, and owe allegiances to more than one of the old empires. Such is the nature of recent developments and the relative freedom of movement across borders of millions of people. War between the old established orders does not suit any of us, stifling trade and restricting movement are problems that need to be assigned to the old orders - not to mention the countless, pointless deaths caused in the name of centuries old disputes and mistrust.

I, like my cousins, and many of those other multi-empire children call upon the leaders of the old empires to form a closer federation of Hi-Sec states it is the only way the old orders will survive the onslaught that is now facing us from so many outside influences trying to invade and take over great swathes of Empire controlled space.

It is time to end the wars, and align all 4 Empires into a Federation of United, Union of New Eden, Empire States. For the greater good of all the billions both space and planet bound residents of New Eden. Only then can we hope to overcome the aggressors threatening the lives and livelihoods of our brothers and sisters, cousins, and fellow citizens across Hi-Sec and maintain an area where law and order prevail over anarchy.

It is time for a new plan for the future of New Eden Hi Sec.
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#2 - 2015-04-25 13:25:13 UTC
With respect, this idea is already in motion - It's called CONCORD.

Things have recently not, unfortunately, been going very well for it.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#3 - 2015-04-25 13:26:11 UTC
Personaly, we would all be better off without the Potato Federation.

I'm all for a Venal Development Union though!
Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-04-25 13:38:40 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
With respect, this idea is already in motion - It's called CONCORD.

Things have recently not, unfortunately, been going very well for it.


CONCORD is a construct, perhaps initially created by the 4 empires, but really it is independent of them and has no allegiance to any or all of the Empires.

CONCORD has not stopped the skirmishes, border conflicts, and battles between empires - take the Gallente destruction of the "shegiru", Caldari Navy Titan above Caldari Prime in Luminaire as a prime example. CONCORD simply declared they would not get involved in the system for a day and let the empires (and capsulers) fight it out themselves.

And as you say, things have not been going well for them!! The citezens of Hi-sec and the empires deserve more than CONCORD - a true alliance and federation of empire states.
Markus Error
Manfios
#5 - 2015-04-25 13:54:17 UTC
Ah, such a noble and worth cause.

Unfortunately, the empires (and most capsuleers) will either ignore it, laugh at it, or possiblyshoot it for ISK.

I'd be happy if this did come about, but there's no real drive for any of the empires to unify - especially considering that they're technically at war at the moment.

"If it cannot be shot the #### down, it can always be blown the #### up."

-Unknown

Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-04-25 14:00:38 UTC
Markus Error wrote:
Ah, such a noble and worth cause.

Unfortunately, the empires (and most capsuleers) will either ignore it, laugh at it, or possiblyshoot it for ISK.

I'd be happy if this did come about, but there's no real drive for any of the empires to unify - especially considering that they're technically at war at the moment.


Until the drifters/seekers/Jove start blowing the crap out of all of us!!

P
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-04-25 14:01:04 UTC
I do not disagree.

However, the matter is of course infinitely more complex and nuanced than a simple rallying call would address.

There are a number of grievances that would need to be addressed, as well as a number of differences in philosophy, mindset, lifestyle, governance, economy and other issues that would need to be reconciled in order for such a union to stand.

A wise first step would be a summit bringing together representatives of each power in New Eden with a mind to reconcile and unite, opening the floor to honest and constructive discussion regarding forging a path toward a cooperative future.

It would be a difficult, nigh impossible, future to attain...

But damn if it isn't worth the dream...

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#8 - 2015-04-25 14:10:43 UTC
Gilan Isana wrote:
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
With respect, this idea is already in motion - It's called CONCORD.

Things have recently not, unfortunately, been going very well for it.


CONCORD is a construct, perhaps initially created by the 4 empires, but really it is independent of them and has no allegiance to any or all of the Empires.

CONCORD has not stopped the skirmishes, border conflicts, and battles between empires - take the Gallente destruction of the "shegiru", Caldari Navy Titan above Caldari Prime in Luminaire as a prime example. CONCORD simply declared they would not get involved in the system for a day and let the empires (and capsulers) fight it out themselves.

And as you say, things have not been going well for them!! The citezens of Hi-sec and the empires deserve more than CONCORD - a true alliance and federation of empire states.


CONCORD was concieved, and has largely functioned, as a government-of-governments in the vein you are describing here. A regulatory body to determine and subsequently enforce international law, facilitate trade, and ease tensions by solving issues diplomatically. I believe it's founder did envision it's power growing over time and slowly rivaling and surpassing the powers within it, to the point that it would, after many, many years, unite humanity in full.

For a long time, it looked very much like this might eventually happen.

Then the Elder fleet blew it up. And the rest of the Empire scorned it's authority in the aftermath.

CONCORD has not failed. Rather, the great powers of the cluster have decided they do not want to be a part of it's vision. Foolishly, in my personal opinion, but there it is. That example you cited from the battle of Caldari Prime - I was there, and I am afraid you've missed one pivotal detail. CONCORD withdrew from the system not because they didn't want to get involved, but because the State Navy blew up one of it's ships. With a doomsday.

The Empires do not "deserve" better, because they do not want better. That is, regrettably, simply the state of things.
Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-04-25 14:19:56 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
I do not disagree.

However, the matter is of course infinitely more complex and nuanced than a simple rallying call would address.

There are a number of grievances that would need to be addressed, as well as a number of differences in philosophy, mindset, lifestyle, governance, economy and other issues that would need to be reconciled in order for such a union to stand.

A wise first step would be a summit bringing together representatives of each power in New Eden with a mind to reconcile and unite, opening the floor to honest and constructive discussion regarding forging a path toward a cooperative future.

It would be a difficult, nigh impossible, future to attain...

But damn if it isn't worth the dream...


If we dont have dreams, what do we have?

I have heard historical scholars say that before the discovery of the New Eden gate, the Old Eden was also riven with internal divisions, conflict, empire against empire. It was only on the putting aside of these differences and uniting with a single goal that we are here at all. It is said that it was this coming together and uniting that allowed the old worlds to develop the necessary technologies and reap the benefits of New Eden

Of course much of this is conjecture and stories handed down generation by generation. None of us truly know anything for sure about Old Eden before the gate collapsed.

But if it is true, and our ancestors worked together for a common goal to colonize New Eden, then why shouldn't their descendants do the same and come together for the good of their peoples against a potential common enemy?

Im not saying it would be easy, or happen overnight, and I agree it will be a long road, but every long journey must start with a single step.

Just like our ancestors in Old Eden Eons ago, their first steps led to us being here today.

Our first steps should create a better New Eden for the generations to come.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#10 - 2015-04-25 14:28:21 UTC
Uniting under one banner is a noble goal, one that some people have been working towards for thousands of years. But that banner won't be, and shouldn't be, this union you promote.
Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-04-25 14:30:35 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:


The Empires do not "deserve" better, because they do not want better. That is, regrettably, simply the state of things.


You are right of course, it is the state of things, but it dosnt always have to be so.

Change is slow, but change can gather pace. If the Minmatar all took your view, then they would still be slaves of the Amarr.

Things are happening in New Eden, change is in the air, seekers/drifters, Jove returning - it may be if the Empires want to survive they will have to unite.

"The whole is greater than the sum of the parts"

My family and countless others of similar multi-empire ethnicity are still in the minority, soon cross marriages will become the norm and eventually the majority. Every avalanche can start with a single stone, every revolution, with a single call to arms.

I dream of a future where my family will not be riven with inter-empire conflict. My parents and grandparents worked as diplomats for the betterment of their people. We owe it to future generations to give them the best possible chances at development.

'Vive la Revolution' - as my Gallente cousin would say!!

Big smile


Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-04-25 14:36:10 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Uniting under one banner is a noble goal, one that some people have been working towards for thousands of years. But that banner won't be, and shouldn't be, this union you promote.


A union would be a start, not an end. a way for the empires to work together, but still maintain their individuality.

A way to stop the senseless wars, and the endless bickering. There are bigger threats out there that affect all the empires commonly.

If the one banner is a noble cause you support, but you dont support mine and my families idea of a union, what do you suggest?

Conversation and discussion is the key to making such a noble cause work.

"The word is mightier than the hybrid!"
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-04-25 14:38:21 UTC
Gilan Isana wrote:
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
With respect, this idea is already in motion - It's called CONCORD.

Things have recently not, unfortunately, been going very well for it.


CONCORD is a construct, perhaps initially created by the 4 empires, but really it is independent of them and has no allegiance to any or all of the Empires.

CONCORD has not stopped the skirmishes, border conflicts, and battles between empires - take the Gallente destruction of the "shegiru", Caldari Navy Titan above Caldari Prime in Luminaire as a prime example. CONCORD simply declared they would not get involved in the system for a day and let the empires (and capsulers) fight it out themselves.

And as you say, things have not been going well for them!! The citezens of Hi-sec and the empires deserve more than CONCORD - a true alliance and federation of empire states.

The CONCORD contains our enemies that are threat not just to civilians, citizens and our way of life, but also to the whole humanity.
We should indeed unite all three ( 3, not 4 of course) Empires and destroy the Federation once and forever.
Only this will ensure bright future for New Eden.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-04-25 14:44:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

We should indeed unite all three ( 3, not 4 of course) Empires and destroy the Federation once and forever.
Only this will ensure bright future for New Eden.


The Minmatar join Amarr against Gallente?

About as likely as re-opening the original New Eden gate!

This is why it must be all 4, or we just continue with the current senseless skirmishes, conflicts and wars.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-04-25 15:00:59 UTC
Gilan Isana wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

We should indeed unite all three ( 3, not 4 of course) Empires and destroy the Federation once and forever.
Only this will ensure bright future for New Eden.


The Minmatar join Amarr against Gallente?

About as likely as re-opening the original New Eden gate!

This is why it must be all 4, or we just continue with the current senseless skirmishes, conflicts and wars.

We are fighting against Gallentean menace.
The Empire is fighting against Gallentean menace as well, although not as efficient as we do.
And minmatars, they did attack them as well, just remember Colelie?

Yes, yes, even minmatars were fighting against them. The threat of fascist ultra-nationalist gallentean hegemony IS this uniting force that can bring all of us together and fight against the Federation.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#16 - 2015-04-25 15:04:11 UTC
Gilan Isana wrote:
If the one banner is a noble cause you support, but you dont support mine and my families idea of a union, what do you suggest?


The Reclaiming, in other words something that people from the other empires do not agree to and so not going to happen anytime soon.

CONCORD is the best you are going to get in the meanwhile, though its become twisted in the last few decades and needs to be reformed.
Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-04-25 15:11:29 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:


The Reclaiming, in other words something that people from the other empires do not agree to and so not going to happen anytime soon.

CONCORD is the best you are going to get in the meanwhile, though its become twisted in the last few decades and needs to be reformed.


Not just CONCORD.

All of the Empires have become twisted in the last few decades and need to be reformed.

perhaps this why the jove are returning - to bring their own brand of retribution to the warring factions!
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#18 - 2015-04-25 15:21:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Gilan Isana wrote:
All of the Empires have become twisted in the last few decades and need to be reformed.


Amarr is doing just fine. What it needs is less foreigners demanding it to change.

I'm sure most of the other empires wouldn't agree with your assessment, either. You're not going to get anyone to agree to your idea when you're calling for the dissolution of their own nations. CONCORD worked because it worked with the empires, it acted as a medium for international communication. It worked because it didn't try to supplant its member states. It is no longer working because it has tried to become something more than it was supposed to be.
Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-04-25 15:30:25 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Gilan Isana wrote:
All of the Empires have become twisted in the last few decades and need to be reformed.


Amarr is doing just fine. What it needs is less foreigners demanding it to change.

I'm sure most of the other empires wouldn't agree with your assessment, either. You're not going to get anyone to agree to your idea when you're calling for the dissolution of their own nations. CONCORD worked because it worked with the empires, it acted as a medium for international communication. It worked because it didn't try to supplant its member states. It is no longer working because it has tried to become something more than it was supposed to be.


You have clearly missed my point. I am not calling for a dissolution of their own nations. I am calling for a federation of member states that would allow each of the nations to maintain their own structure and identity, but end the pointless wars between them that are draining each empire but not actually achieving anything for any of them.

How much more could the empires achieve for themselves and for the whole of human kind if they were to stop killing eachother and work together on science and technology. Perhaps then they could actually make changes and develop tactics to counter outside threats as quickly as we have seen the drifters manage.

Again, "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts"
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#20 - 2015-04-25 15:30:41 UTC
Everyone's own banner is the right one. Everyone else's banner is the wrong one. There in lies the problem.
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