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hisec suicide gank squads today versus 5 years ago

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#41 - 2015-04-24 02:24:49 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
... (damn the guy who made that video who figured out something that I couldn't!), ...
That must be rare for a professor of everything. P

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#42 - 2015-04-24 02:54:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
d0cTeR9 wrote:
Concord was instant death back then, and caused a lot of lag.

Sorry, but you're just plain factually wrong. Response times have been the same since the massive CONCORD buff in Empyrean Age where they were significantly reduced, not increased.

In the same patch CONCORD ships were made more powerful, not less powerful and got their EWAR capabilities when they previously had none. Not only do CONCORD ships arrive faster, but as soon as they arrive the ganker immediately loses the ability to even have a locked target.

The reason that CONCORD caused lag prior to that was that they spawned in large numbers. Because they were made so much more effective there isn't any point having as many spawn.

You could not be more incorrect about this subject.

Are there things some things that have benefited gankers in some way? Sure, there's a couple, but they sure as hell are not changes to CONCORD.
Paranoid Loyd
#43 - 2015-04-24 03:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
In the same patch CONCORD ships were made more powerful, not less powerful and got their EWAR capabilities when they previously had none. Not only do CONCORD ships arrive faster, but as soon as they arriveengage the ganker immediately loses the ability to even have a locked target.
They arrive on grid and it takes a few seconds for them to engage.

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Mr Epeen
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#44 - 2015-04-24 03:42:23 UTC
S3LICI3 wrote:
i just returned to eve a few months ago after being gone about 5 years. yes, there were suicide gankers and there was danger and it was a lot of fun (that's why i came back). the danger made the game fun, i expected to lose some ships and when i did, no complaint, i put "good fight" or "g/f" in local and a few minutes later i am back in a new ship having fun and its all good. now it is different, not the same game it was 5 years ago. since i came back, i log in on the weekends (my days off work and best time for eve), i check the killboards and what? no point today - why bother to undock? so i log out and do something else on my day off, try again later. seems to be like this all the time now. what has happened to the eve i used to love so much? i used to do allnighters, i couldn't get enough i was logged in as much as i could. now only a few hours a week during slow times, weekends impossible now, .5 and .6 suicide fleets of bored veterans? what happened?


The first thing I recommend is to get a new keyboard. The shift and return keys seem to be broken on yours.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
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#45 - 2015-04-24 04:27:53 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... (damn the guy who made that video who figured out something that I couldn't!), ...
That must be rare for a professor of everything. P



But I'm not the professor of everything, for you see my good fellow, I'm not smarter than most people... I'm just smarter than you.

Oh....Snap.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#46 - 2015-04-24 06:35:11 UTC
May be my mistake and I over estimate people but I don't think you give yourself enough credit, OP.

Doing the same thing for 10 hr marathon runs, day in and day out for years isn't going to hold the appeal unless you are a gold fish. High Sec ganking for all the fluff hasn't changed that much in the last 5 years. I think that's the problem with all of EVE. While there are new ways to run around the barn we are still running around a barn. I'm not here to rage or hate on anyone, maybe its all we were ever meant to do but people are pretty sharp minded creatures, EVE players in general being an aggressive version of them. We burn out easy when we aren't challenged and synthetic input is a diversion. EVE simply doesn't challenge you any more and you don't seem to see it at a *****'n'giggles level so it isn't entertaining you either.

Unfortunately I can't appreciate EVE at the *****'n'giggles level either. It`s my loss really but after this many years in New Eden it might be all that`s left. At least until someone pulls a rabbit out of the hat and imagines new spaces beyond the barn. That`s a Dev challenge though, not a player challenge and I`ll be in GTA 5 online until they figure it out.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#47 - 2015-04-25 01:50:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... (damn the guy who made that video who figured out something that I couldn't!), ...
That must be rare for a professor of everything. P
But I'm not the professor of everything, for you see my good fellow, I'm not smarter than most people... I'm just smarter than you.
Oh....Snap.
Categorically, that is highly improbable. Blink

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#48 - 2015-04-25 02:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sointu Luonnotar wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:


The difference now is that there exists a very organized and very dedicated ganking community. Largely this community was founded out of anger against carebears that repeatedly complained to get ganking and other forms of PVP nerfed, got their way and still don't do anything themselves to avoid ganking.

Aside from fun a profit people now also gank for ideological reasons.


Which just goes to show that the self-entitled badasses of EVE get more epicly buttmad than any carebear ever could when their fun is being interrupted or their professions get shafted by patches. Lol
Everybody gets their profession shafted occasionally, sometimes by CCP, sometimes by other players.

The gankers have adapted to change by becoming very organised and dedicated, they've developed doctrines and tactics to counter it. Responses to the gankers adaption varies a bit, bears have adapted, they don't afk, they tank their ships etc. Carebears, on the other hand, refuse to adapt at all and simply demand more nerfs to PvP.

Big difference; one group is self entitled, the other groups are doing it right.

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#49 - 2015-04-25 04:43:52 UTC
d0cTeR9 wrote:
S3LICI3 wrote:
i just returned to eve a few months ago after being gone about 5 years. yes, there were suicide gankers and there was danger and it was a lot of fun (that's why i came back). the danger made the game fun, i expected to lose some ships and when i did, no complaint, i put "good fight" or "g/f" in local and a few minutes later i am back in a new ship having fun and its all good. now it is different, not the same game it was 5 years ago. since i came back, i log in on the weekends (my days off work and best time for eve), i check the killboards and what? no point today - why bother to undock? so i log out and do something else on my day off, try again later. seems to be like this all the time now. what has happened to the eve i used to love so much? i used to do allnighters, i couldn't get enough i was logged in as much as i could. now only a few hours a week during slow times, weekends impossible now, .5 and .6 suicide fleets of bored veterans? what happened?


Having gamed back then too, i can tell you suicide ganking was a thing... but rare (a few per weeks).

Now it's a few per days, thanks to some pretty big nerfs to freighters apparently. Back then, no one ever imagined to suicide gank a freighter, and when they did... the freighter usually lived (concord was very quick in dealing with them back then).

Now it's just different, so be smart and don't fly what you can't afford.

That many? I'm almost never attacked in high sec even when suspect or criminal. I think I've been illegally agressed twice in my eve career total?

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#50 - 2015-04-25 07:04:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
d0cTeR9 wrote:
S3LICI3 wrote:
i just returned to eve a few months ago after being gone about 5 years. yes, there were suicide gankers and there was danger and it was a lot of fun (that's why i came back). the danger made the game fun, i expected to lose some ships and when i did, no complaint, i put "good fight" or "g/f" in local and a few minutes later i am back in a new ship having fun and its all good. now it is different, not the same game it was 5 years ago. since i came back, i log in on the weekends (my days off work and best time for eve), i check the killboards and what? no point today - why bother to undock? so i log out and do something else on my day off, try again later. seems to be like this all the time now. what has happened to the eve i used to love so much? i used to do allnighters, i couldn't get enough i was logged in as much as i could. now only a few hours a week during slow times, weekends impossible now, .5 and .6 suicide fleets of bored veterans? what happened?


Having gamed back then too, i can tell you suicide ganking was a thing... but rare (a few per weeks).

Now it's a few per days, thanks to some pretty big nerfs to freighters apparently. Back then, no one ever imagined to suicide gank a freighter, and when they did... the freighter usually lived (concord was very quick in dealing with them back then).

Now it's just different, so be smart and don't fly what you can't afford.

That many? I'm almost never attacked in high sec even when suspect or criminal. I think I've been illegally agressed twice in my eve career total?

The poster you quote writes nonsense.
And it feels like he is talking to himself anyway.

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#51 - 2015-04-26 03:50:57 UTC
The older Eve players gradually got smarter and realized what most SB pilots and strategic players worked out five plus years ago... that posting to killboards is just giving other players free intel on what ships you fly and how you build them.

Meanwhile, the devs actually flew their camera drone out of the exhaust port after most of a decade and fixed the new player experience so that there was actual stuff to do for people who hadn't already played for five years, notably adding supported PvP modes for small ships other than piracy (not that there's anything wrong with piracy, but still). Those people don't typically care much about KB stats, either, and are now much if not most of the PvP in the game.

Thus, lower participation and the boards aren't showing much of the activity.

It's not that people stopped PvPing, it's that you're looking at a metric for activity that's become increasingly obsolete.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-04-26 05:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
All the usual suspects.

I once attended university with a guy who never went to class. He sat under a tree and picked his toenails. When asked why he spent his time so, he'd wind out a rather extensive justification which amounted to the equivalent of what cows do when they're in the field, not eating or ruminating, or lowing to one another. For those who might find that vague, perhaps the image of what horses leave behind on the parade route might help.

Gank that.

There just isn't anything that can be said!

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