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The Sansha Threat: You know, the one nobody is talking about

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#41 - 2015-04-23 21:14:39 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Interesting concept Evi.
Though, it doesn't seem to mesh with the remarkably individualistic statements made by your 'master' during nation's resurgence.

Good story, but i'll stick with verifiable facts.
Unless of course, you can verify what you have stated without claiming inside knowledge.

-Tertianus Rethelior

Those who interact with the outside tend to be given more autonomy, this translates in to more individualistic behavior. All I would be cleared to show you would be statements made by a True Citizen. Though I have no control whether or not you believe them.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2015-04-23 22:57:29 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Again, I stress, that they have all acted with integrity in our employment.

So I hear.

Respectfully, I gather it was the same with Omerta, right up until it wasn't.

Also, it's not just you personally I'm concerned for (though that would be a loss).
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#43 - 2015-04-23 23:02:50 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Again, I stress, that they have all acted with integrity in our employment.

So I hear.

Respectfully, I gather it was the same with Omerta, right up until it wasn't.

Also, it's not just you personally I'm concerned for (though that would be a loss).

Respectfully, the actions of one Nation Loyalist only colors all of them to those eager to paint with a broad brush. I could just as easily assume Nauplius's actions speak for all who claim the Amarrian faith. I do not. I would ask you treat us based on our past actions. We may be enemies indeed, but our word is not broken.
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-04-23 23:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Liuni Kalthis
A lot of talk from a Nation Loyalist who has no greater understanding of the inner workings of the Nation proper nor their mashed mind than the rest of us. They linked a 'few' of themselves together then talk about how great it is with no contact with "The Nation" other than their neocoms or something very similar to it.

Its like a baseliner from a game of mindclash saying they know the inner workings and how it is for a link's pilot hardwired to deal with multiple systems and multiple pilots at once. One is not the other.

Simply the Loyalists cheer at certain events, we boo at the same but it doesn't mean either of us know what is happening or how its happening at a detail beyond "Things shoot, other things shoot back, repeat until something explodes."

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    Kalaratiri
    Full Broadside
    Deepwater Hooligans
    #45 - 2015-04-23 23:36:32 UTC
    Speaking of people talking about things they know nothing about..

    She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

    This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

    I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

    Evi Polevhia
    Phoenix Naval Operations
    Phoenix Naval Systems
    #46 - 2015-04-23 23:37:11 UTC
    The Foundations are not Networked with Nation, true. But claims that we have no dealings or understanding with Nation itself are false.
    Liuni Kalthis
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #47 - 2015-04-23 23:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Liuni Kalthis
    Evi Polevhia wrote:
    The Foundations are not Networked with Nation, true. But claims that we have no dealings or understanding with Nation itself are false.

    Every Capsuleer has dealings and understandings with Nation, I can undock in Jita and see a few capsuleers flying their ships.

    As for you Kala
    Stay salty, and that is the general consensus from Scopeworks.
    Rhiannon Dellacorte
    Liberty Vanguard
    #48 - 2015-04-23 23:53:56 UTC
    Evi Polevhia wrote:
    Normally I'm content to let people I don't like simply wade about in their own ignorance. But given the subject I am going to throw you a bone here.

    Nation's leadership is a collection and merging of infomorphs who have unified into a more single entity. Like limbs with sentience they originally had an option to work on selfish or greedy paths. But a leg can only move so far before it requires eyes to see, hands to grasp, and so on. The mitochondria in your body is a nonsentient and primordial example of this process from countless years ago. Governments do this too. From tribes of dozens, to settlements of hundreds, to cities of thousands. States, countries, worlds, empires. Man has always sought to unite, sometimes by force sometimes by peace, because unifying a people is always preferable to division when your future is at risk. Nation is the infomorph continuation of this idea. Continuing reverence to Master Kuvakei is twofold. One part to honor the man who started it, one part to honor the current entity of Nation.

    Master Kuvakei is dead.

    Let me say that again. The man who founded Nation is dead. But before he died, like Capsuleers his infomorph was recorded. Unlike Capsuleers who maintain a relatively insular mind, his was connected to Nation's. And when he died, Nation granted him Rebirth. But he is not the same. Instead of the man who founded Nation, if there is anything wearing his face it is most likely more an amalgamation of the will of the True Citizens of Nation than anything else. To claim his singular will is controlling Nation is to misunderstand what we say by the word Unity.

    As far as progress made in Incursions, I'll be one of the first to admit it is far from an efficient war. Instead it is a war of attrition. Nation's industrial power will not be exhausted by the losses Capsuleers inflict. So any loss Capsuleers sustain is a victory of sorts. If Nation ever slows on their ship production due to losses, then maybe I will admit the war is a loss. Till then, remember always that the empires started this war.


    This is very enlightening if true, Ms Polevhia. Thank you for sharing it with us.

    Rules of Acquisition #261

    A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.

    Aria Jenneth
    Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
    Khimi Harar
    #49 - 2015-04-24 00:41:06 UTC
    Evi Polevhia wrote:
    Respectfully, the actions of one Nation Loyalist only colors all of them to those eager to paint with a broad brush. I could just as easily assume Nauplius's actions speak for all who claim the Amarrian faith. I do not. I would ask you treat us based on our past actions. We may be enemies indeed, but our word is not broken.

    Ms. Polevhia, even if trusted you, personally, to a very high degree, I still wouldn't be able to trust what might or might not have been planted in your skull at some point. Without a more perfect understanding of Nation implant technology, there's no way of knowing what might be there or when it might be activate.

    Hm....

    We've had this conversation before, haven't we? Like, a lot. I know that riposte without even having to think about it.
    Evi Polevhia
    Phoenix Naval Operations
    Phoenix Naval Systems
    #50 - 2015-04-24 01:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Evi Polevhia
    Aria Jenneth wrote:
    Evi Polevhia wrote:
    Respectfully, the actions of one Nation Loyalist only colors all of them to those eager to paint with a broad brush. I could just as easily assume Nauplius's actions speak for all who claim the Amarrian faith. I do not. I would ask you treat us based on our past actions. We may be enemies indeed, but our word is not broken.

    Ms. Polevhia, even if trusted you, personally, to a very high degree, I still wouldn't be able to trust what might or might not have been planted in your skull at some point. Without a more perfect understanding of Nation implant technology, there's no way of knowing what might be there or when it might be activate.

    Hm....

    We've had this conversation before, haven't we? Like, a lot. I know that riposte without even having to think about it.

    I don't recall having this discussion with you. It's possible I have. But aren't you recently returned from a lengthy disappearance of some sort? You might be remembering a conversation with a different Nation supporter.

    Edit: Obligatory beep boop, we're all robots and all think the same. That's why you think it's familiar.
    Aria Jenneth
    Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
    Khimi Harar
    #51 - 2015-04-24 01:45:08 UTC
    Evi Polevhia wrote:
    I don't recall having this discussion with you. It's possible I have. But aren't you recently returned from a lengthy disappearance of some sort? You might be remembering a conversation with a different Nation supporter.

    Edit: Obligatory beep boop, we're all robots and all think the same. That's why you think it's familiar.

    ... well, that's a sort of cute rhetorical maneuver. Only, it's more like knowing the steps in a dance or the appropriate counter in a fencing match.

    The Caldari and Gallente are pretty predictable in their strike, parry, riposte, dodge routines as well.

    I'm not so much returned as freshly reinstalled, from a flawed copy, onto an unsuspecting set of hardware.

    Beep boop.
    Elmund Egivand
    Tribal Liberation Force
    Minmatar Republic
    #52 - 2015-04-24 02:04:40 UTC
    Aria Jenneth wrote:
    Evi Polevhia wrote:
    I don't recall having this discussion with you. It's possible I have. But aren't you recently returned from a lengthy disappearance of some sort? You might be remembering a conversation with a different Nation supporter.

    Edit: Obligatory beep boop, we're all robots and all think the same. That's why you think it's familiar.

    ... well, that's a sort of cute rhetorical maneuver. Only, it's more like knowing the steps in a dance or the appropriate counter in a fencing match.

    The Caldari and Gallente are pretty predictable in their strike, parry, riposte, dodge routines as well.

    I'm not so much returned as freshly reinstalled, from a flawed copy, onto an unsuspecting set of hardware.

    Beep boop.


    You had been dealing with way too many sycophants that you found them all becoming predictable. You need a vacation.

    A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

    Aria Jenneth
    Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
    Khimi Harar
    #53 - 2015-04-24 02:37:18 UTC
    Elmund Egivand wrote:
    You had been dealing with way too many sycophants that you found them all becoming predictable. You need a vacation.


    Gods, I hope not. I've only just gotten booted up.

    ... um. All silliness aside, I think it's probably true that there are a lot of well-worn political paths.

    I'm not sure following them makes a person a sycophant, though.
    Pieter Tuulinen
    Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
    Khimi Harar
    #54 - 2015-04-24 08:13:47 UTC
    Aria Jenneth wrote:
    Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
    Again, I stress, that they have all acted with integrity in our employment.

    So I hear.

    Respectfully, I gather it was the same with Omerta, right up until it wasn't.

    Also, it's not just you personally I'm concerned for (though that would be a loss).


    You know the Peace and Order Unit motto, Ma'am? "Be polite. Be punctual. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet."

    For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

    Evi Polevhia
    Phoenix Naval Operations
    Phoenix Naval Systems
    #55 - 2015-04-24 11:15:43 UTC
    Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
    Aria Jenneth wrote:
    Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
    Again, I stress, that they have all acted with integrity in our employment.

    So I hear.

    Respectfully, I gather it was the same with Omerta, right up until it wasn't.

    Also, it's not just you personally I'm concerned for (though that would be a loss).


    You know the Peace and Order Unit motto, Ma'am? "Be polite. Be punctual. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet."

    We must share how you plan to kill me over some whisky one night. That'll be fun.
    Tiberious Thessalonia
    True Slave Foundations
    #56 - 2015-04-24 12:05:37 UTC
    Cats.
    AlterlifeSB
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #57 - 2015-04-24 13:17:58 UTC
    You lesser folk definitaley need to work on more useful things other than paranoid acts...
    Aria Jenneth
    Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
    Khimi Harar
    #58 - 2015-04-24 13:36:47 UTC
    AlterlifeSB wrote:
    You lesser folk definitaley need to work on more useful things other than paranoid acts...

    Note to self: when claiming superiority, be very, very careful about grammar and spelling.
    Liam Antolliere
    Doomheim
    #59 - 2015-04-24 13:44:53 UTC
    Aria Jenneth wrote:
    AlterlifeSB wrote:
    You lesser folk definitaley need to work on more useful things other than paranoid acts...

    Note to self: when claiming superiority, be very, very careful about grammar and spelling.


    I would definitely second that notion.

    Also, I owe you an apology Mademoiselle Jenneth...

    Your words were not the only ones founded in frustration yesterday. I was quite beside myself yesterday and responded poorly not only to you but to a few others as well. I wish to apologize publicly as my offense was made publicly.

    I request your pardon for my transgression as you were clearly not intending to offend and my response was poorly conceived.

    "Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

    Aria Jenneth
    Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
    Khimi Harar
    #60 - 2015-04-24 21:13:33 UTC
    Liam Antolliere wrote:
    Aria Jenneth wrote:
    AlterlifeSB wrote:
    You lesser folk definitaley need to work on more useful things other than paranoid acts...

    Note to self: when claiming superiority, be very, very careful about grammar and spelling.


    I would definitely second that notion.

    Also, I owe you an apology Mademoiselle Jenneth...

    Your words were not the only ones founded in frustration yesterday. I was quite beside myself yesterday and responded poorly not only to you but to a few others as well. I wish to apologize publicly as my offense was made publicly.

    I request your pardon for my transgression as you were clearly not intending to offend and my response was poorly conceived.

    Gratefully accepted, Mr. Antolliere, though my own apology also still stands. Beside yourself or not, it's not as though I hadn't said anything provoking.

    Intent sometimes doesn't matter very much.