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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#81 - 2011-12-25 01:39:52 UTC
remove all sec

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2011-12-25 01:42:34 UTC
My current corp has been wardec'd by this group of 'pirates' called renegade syndicate. They, are stat padders, just look at their KB. The will fight our lower skilled members, but they run from my PVE proteus. They run. From a PVE ship that could very easily be webbed, neuted, and popped. I already filed a petition for griefing but ccp basically said 'stfu and deal with it noob'. It isn't fun, it isn't fair. Why do they do it? They are just making people unsubscribe, which has indeed happened in my corp because of these idiots.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#83 - 2011-12-25 14:12:07 UTC
Fiori 161 wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Breaths into a paper bag

Your thread is hurting my brain. .


Okay, stop confusing me! Straight
Why doesn't this poster have 100 likes per post?!

Alexa Coates wrote:
My current corp has been wardec'd by this group of 'pirates' called renegade syndicate. They, are stat padders, just look at their KB. The will fight our lower skilled members, but they run from my PVE proteus. They run. From a PVE ship that could very easily be webbed, neuted, and popped. I already filed a petition for griefing but ccp basically said 'stfu and deal with it noob'. It isn't fun, it isn't fair. Why do they do it? They are just making people unsubscribe, which has indeed happened in my corp because of these idiots.


... because points gained out the game for group self pleasuring and ridicule are worth more than anything in the game? Ugh

See my "Loss Mails" in my signature link for one of my ideas to combat this a bit. I also suggested that Battle Clinic make a little script in their page, which manipulates the numbers already there, displaying the number of real kills if you chose from the Stats page. "Apparently" they would need whole new servers to run a client side script. Lol

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Elsa Nietchize
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#84 - 2011-12-25 15:45:29 UTC
are people seriously talking about shooting carebears in hisec as though it's PVP?
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2011-12-25 15:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Elsa Nietchize wrote:
are people seriously talking about shooting carebears in hisec as though it's PVP?


well PvP is essentially everything. If it provides "interaction" with other players, which is indeed everything..
Even if you mine your own ore, reprocess it by yourself, buy BPO from NPC, and built ships and modules all by yourself its interaction with other players in sense you deny them "profit".

However is not collecting stamps an hobby.. Big smile

So yes shooting carebears is PvP too.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#86 - 2011-12-25 17:55:06 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Elsa Nietchize wrote:
are people seriously talking about shooting carebears in hisec as though it's PVP?


well PvP is essentially everything. If it provides "interaction" with other players, which is indeed everything..
Even if you mine your own ore, reprocess it by yourself, buy BPO from NPC, and built ships and modules all by yourself its interaction with other players in sense you deny them "profit".

However is not collecting stamps an hobby.. Big smile

So yes shooting carebears is PvP too.
Well said.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#87 - 2011-12-25 18:27:11 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
...
However is not collecting stamps an hobby.. Big smile


... now where have I heard that before? (02:29)
Just how much of what you say is a collage of quotes that you take credit for?

If you want to be pedantic, then yes, any method of shooting at another pilot is Player verus Player, though I would say that ganking is Player at Player, (PaP) since the one being shot can't fire back.

Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Taking a ship to find a nice target that just sits there while you fire at it ...

Am I describing mining or ganking? Twisted

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2011-12-25 18:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
@Jenshae Chripotera

Indeed i am subscribed to non-stamp-collector videos and thunderf00t one too ..
And yes i use quotes from what i hear, read since we all do that. We dont have our own words if we do then

Hata Mat Vala Vil Alililis Tanghar Šhe .. see not understandable to anyone except me. Well not even me but for the sake of point.

And yes essentially shoting up NPCs, mining rocks or shooting other people who dont shoot back is "same" by the outsider look of it.
Its still PvP just quite not the "fair" one.. But quite frankly there is no such thing as fair PvP. You ussually engage what you got chance to kill.. engaging HM drake at 60km with your nano hurricane not gonna happen since you would be dead before you even get to the range of guns/point, you learn that lesson and next time you just warp off and dont bother.. Cool
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#89 - 2011-12-25 21:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

well PvP is essentially everything


Killing argument without roots.

CCP once brought it and now every wannabe uses it if he is out of real arguments.

One shots are NO PvP as it does not matter if there is a player in the target ship or not. You can shot a can and it has the same effect.

Shoting unarmed targets is NO PvP as you can shot a Tritanium rock and it would have the same effect.

PvP can just happen, when BOTH sides can ACT and REACT.

Anything else is a lie and baby pullshit from noobs. Learn to fight real targets loser.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Lexmana
#90 - 2011-12-25 22:00:07 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

well PvP is essentially everything


Killing argument without roots.

No he isn't.
Quote:

One shots are NO PvP as it does not matter if there is a player in the target ship or not. You can shot a can and it has the same effect.

Shoting unarmed targets is NO PvP as you can shot a Tritanium rock and it would have the same effect.

A rock can't use dscan can it and it can't for sure warp away when it sense danger.
Quote:

PvP can just happen, when BOTH sides can ACT and REACT.

Anything else is a lie and baby pullshit from noobs. Learn to fight real targets loser.

You sir, has a very poor understanding of PvP in general and of PvP in EVE in particular. In EVE, a huge part of PvP is to run when you can't win and shoot when you think you can. If you can't run when you should you are doing something wrong.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#91 - 2011-12-26 00:26:12 UTC
Lexmana wrote:

A rock can't use dscan can it and it can't for sure warp away when it sense danger.


I think he has a valid point. Very few will use D-scan. It is bad enough mining but pushing one button over and over again is just ludicrous. They simply absorb the cost of lost ships into their profit analysis.

You are shooting rocks, they just look like ships and you aren't doing it for profit, the wrecks and drops of a mining ships is minimal. You do it to grief, because you want a reaction, you want your petty little life to reach out and have some significance.

*Edit You is plural and general in this context.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Salus Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2011-12-26 00:55:31 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
If CCP were to open a PVE server it would have 10x the subscriptions of TQ in a month. But they just wanna be vikings too much. =/

Haha. you really believe that? A PVE server would prob have some initial success but then quickly die out of pure boredom.




I am not so sure. Based on what I have seen in other MMOs, if there was a "PVe" server that had only one difference:


"not being able to target other players at all except in designated PVP zones"

(or something like that)


... it would have a lot of players. Not going to say if that's better, or why, or whatever. Just based on the pattern I have seen.




Although I am not much of a combat pilot/fighter/pirate/what-have-you and am, in fact, a 'carebear', I still would not prefer a PVE server, I don't know, its just, everything about EVE is what makes it EVE, the PVP, the market play, the miners, the griefers, without any of these pieces, the puzzle would be incomplete
Jenshae Chiroptera
#93 - 2011-12-26 15:05:19 UTC
Salus Amatin wrote:
...
Although I am not much of a combat pilot/fighter/pirate/what-have-you and am, in fact, a 'carebear', I still would not prefer a PVE server, I don't know, its just, everything about EVE is what makes it EVE, the PVP, the market play, the miners, the griefers, without any of these pieces, the puzzle would be incomplete


Agreed. Splitting the player population wouldn't be a good thing.

However, bringing out ways for the players to counter an attack when it has started, would help.

In most cases, I believe it could be as little as just having a bigger tank or more drone bandwidth and space. If they can last longer, then it is more possible for friends and alliance members to reach them in time and escalate the PVP into a real fight, not just the slaughter of lambs that it is now.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#94 - 2011-12-26 16:14:05 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

It does not matter what carrot or rod CCP uses, I will not PVP against my will.



Seriously.

If engaged while going about my business, esp in High, I self-destruct.

Rather take the loss financially than give them the 'satisfaction'

......or 'mental orgasm' or whatever the Hell chemical it releases........

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
thekiller2002us
The J8sters
#95 - 2011-12-26 16:16:45 UTC  |  Edited by: thekiller2002us
i think highsec people make the mistake of thinking pvp is a choice.

EDIT* some highsec people

I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal..
Jenshae Chiroptera
#96 - 2011-12-26 16:23:28 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

It does not matter what carrot or rod CCP uses, I will not PVP against my will.

... I self-destruct.
Rather take the loss financially than give them the 'satisfaction'
......or 'mental orgasm' or whatever the Hell chemical it releases........


Umm ... Concord usually arrives in six second and they can destroy a ship in less time ... how often do you have time to self destruct? Shocked

To round off, Thrasher, 1000 DPS, that is damage per second. Sacrificing almost everything, an shield tanked Iteron V gets 9K eHP and a Hulk gets 35K. However, what is the point in mining with just one laser in case someone might come and shoot you?

Just read any of the ganking guides, they usually scan you at the station, know exactly how many and of what ship to bring. You are beaten before there is a fight.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#97 - 2011-12-26 18:02:21 UTC
I think that we can safely assume that CCP was NOT referring to anything in high sec when they said that the focus of the next expansion is going to be war.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#98 - 2011-12-26 18:26:59 UTC
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
I think that we can safely assume that CCP was NOT referring to anything in high sec when they said that the focus of the next expansion is going to be war.



Okay, what premises are you basing your assumption on? Smile

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#99 - 2011-12-26 18:38:09 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
I think that we can safely assume that CCP was NOT referring to anything in high sec when they said that the focus of the next expansion is going to be war.



Okay, what premises are you basing your assumption on? Smile


I'm gonna assume "hisec war is crap" and "Sov War is what they use to promote EVE" ?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Jendra Neutral
Doomheim
#100 - 2011-12-26 18:45:01 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
I think that we can safely assume that CCP was NOT referring to anything in high sec when they said that the focus of the next expansion is going to be war.



Okay, what premises are you basing your assumption on? Smile


I'm gonna assume "hisec war is crap" and "Sov War is what they use to promote EVE" ?


Corp dodging wardecs is now a legitimate tactic. That seems like a poor forerunner to a highsec war patch.