Ships & Modules

No, thanny dmg bonus don't matter pvp, and we don't care about pve. Gimp archon to be in line with other carriers.

Only carrier that needs a change is the chimera.
it's meant to be the archon shield equivalent but it seems to run on 1980s MAC computers and hence has EPIC CPU issues.

thanny/nid are both ****** because they have crap cap and tank.
doesnt matter what you do to the fittings, this isnt going to change.

Personally, I can't really think of a way to truly balance triage carriers.

That said, I do agree that shield set-ups are WAY too hard to fit and way too hard to keep capped. Relays shouldn't effect cap modules (there's plenty of stuff that doesn't) or flux coils should be better. Or, make a capital only low slot cap mod. Basically, do SOMETHING.

Other than that, which in essence would just be the tip of the ice burg it is a tough problem. To me it seems that capital remote modules are balanced so that the archon is fine and everyone else is screwed. If the other guys can't fit 3 reps they will never be useful as combat ships. Even if they are useable, you will still always be better served with all archons.

IMHO, CCP should be looking to completely rework all the fittings for all the carriers, and potentially ALL capital mods on all ships. The end result should be that all the ships can fit armor shield AND cap mods, forgetting the racial crap. What works on logistics ships does not work on carriers, they need cap transfers, and they need to be able to be used in whatever fleet comes to hand. After all of this we'd have:

Archon - High local armor tank.
Chimmy - High local shield tank.
Niddy - Highest shield rep output.
Thanny - Highest armor rep output.

And do whatever we need to do with the fittings and bonuses to make that happen, and preserving the ability for all of them to be refit to either tank type. Archons would still probably be the most useful triage carrier, because they would survive the best in triage, but at least when someone else brings something else, people aren't just giggling.

If they don't want to do that (and shame on them if they dont), they should add half-size capital remote modules. Half the fit, half the rep and cap amount. That would give carrier the chance to fit great but not amazing fits, but at least be able to physically fill all their high slots.

I like the nidhoggur as is, thank you very much. Out of all the triage carriers, it is the best of them. I say that with all seriousness and guess what, I have amarr carrier 5 too. So it's not like I'm in the dark here. The nidhoggur was buffed with crucible appropriately. Before it was a little gimped but even then it wasn't nearly as bad as many claimed. The archon is of course fine too. I'm also inclined to say the thanny is fine. It's certainly the worst of the triage carriers but it is the best ratting/missioning carrier. I really don't see a problem with that. The chimera desperately needed more CPU prior to crucible, I honestly don't know if they made any changes to it. Other than said CPU shortage, it's actually just fine.

In short, stop trying to convert the other 3 carriers into archons. Variety is good, I trained multiple carriers for a reason.

I wish the grid boost had been a bit bigger, but overall I'm much more satisfied with my Nidhoggurs. Besides, the Nidhoggur is damn sexy. :)

-Liang

Ed: Also, supporting a big CPU increase for the Chimera. :)

Good to see people making a fuss about the chim. It's been four long years since I made the idiot mistake of training for one and not a day has gone by when I didn't kick myself for it.

Your post does not support this statement. Furthermore, i'd love to seethe chim fits your using for comparison.

Does this "classified fit" involve 4 istabs for a tank?

Anyway, saying the chimera is fine because you can fit it fine with 100m worth of faction mods is silly. You can spend the same on the archon, and actually make it better instead of just fitting.

istabs ftw. They are pretty awesome for quickly getting to a pos to refit a super, dont fly tired and ensure completion of your pre combat checks m8s.. This concludes my safety brief for the holiday season.

Archon still reigns supreme in my opinion. I too have amarr carrier 5 and agree that it's performance is unprecedented amongst the other platforms loaded on the remaining types of carriers that can produce triage standards. A lot is possible with the chimera, but It does need a CPU buff.


I think CCP should give it more CPU to be inline with the Archon without having to fit a lot of faction and expensive/unique implants. I think we can all agree upon that.

Tbh I think the Nid should be the best Triage carrier, it is the reppy one after all.

Proposal -

New Nid Bonus as follows

"While in Triage shield and armour resists increase by X%"

This would effectively make the Nid a highly effective triage platform while retaining its lackluster ability to tank out of Triage, which is in turn balanced by the repping bonus.

And as for Thanatoses not having a resist bonus, there care-bear carriers anyways.