EVE General Discussion

That would require a second ship where the bumper only needs one. Which by definition makes it unbalanced.

I'd like to add here that hyperdunking needs at least one other pilot.
As for the webber, it doesn't matter if it's the same player.

What are you two argueing about?
This does not fall into balance issues.

One can not balance how people choose to make friends.

If you fly your freighter solo, that's your choice.

It always has been a mistake to do so ...
... but only "recently" people started to get punished for it.

How does this have anything to do with freighters anyway?

It applies to every single ship out there that's flying solo ...
... those with slow align times are simply at a higher risk.


This is a social issue, not a balancing one.

If I missed anything, please point me at it.

If CCP wanted to change the mechanic, here is an easy way:

After a ship's warp drive has been active for two minutes, the ship will enter warp, irrelevant of its velocity. All other warp mechanics stay the same.

With this, bump scramming will still allow time for suicide gankers to get in position. But a long term stalemate would be prevented.

There's no issue ...
... like no issue.

No it shouldn't. Do you even read the descriptions of the Minmatar ammunition? We hurl that stuff at each other like ti's nothing. The 125mm AC's minmatar have (the smallest non-civilian AC's in the game). Those shoot bigger rounds than the Abrams tank, in bursts, tipped with the same stuff that is in the sun (Hot plasma/fusion) or the stuff we use to blow up cities (Nuclear).

No bumping my ship should not damage it much compared to those types of things.

Edit: Here is what an 800mm cannon looks like. you know, those things that come in groups of 4 on the Minnie BS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyFKbLGGCVY Those can easily fire city-levelling rounds (By today's standards)

Sure, CCP is known to make inconsistent decisions and changing there minds on things all the time, but they have been unusually clear on this issue. But I too cannot say what the future will hold.

However I do know that now bumping for ransom, and bumping as a tackle for ganking freighters is 100%-approved legal gameplay today. Therefore, I think threads like this should focus on giving players advice on how to avoid the bumpers and save the ideas for changing game mechanics for the F&I sub-forum.

And of course it will then warp in the direction momentum is traveling, right? Unless you're suggesting it's fine to have freighters warping backwards. That doesn't really make sense to me, but even so if the freighter warps to the gate then the bumper would just start the process all over again. Regardless it's a get out of jail free card that requires zero teamwork, pilot skill, etc. You shouldn't get away because of "reasons." And ships should only be able to warp in the direction of their momentum.


And what of it being a "long term stalemate"? If it's a stalemate then that means neither party is willing to give in, right? So, let them keep at it until one of them gives up: Either the bumper pilot gets bored and leaves or the freighter pilot pays the ransom, ejects from their ship, logs out and leaves their ship to the mercy of the captors, etc.

The freighter pilot's ship isn't going to explode because there's a Machariel bumping it. If it were going to explode it would do so because the bumper pilot brought friends with them to finish the job. So, why should the freighter pilot not be expected to bring friends of their own to break them free of the bumper? Actually, the freighter pilot only really needs one friend to web them into warp while the bumper pilot requires several friends to crack open the freighter's hull.

CCP shouldn't fix bumping, because bumping isn't broken. There are ways to combat it and ways to avoid it entirely.

Who said anything about ganking? We're talking about bumping. And no, if you're going to attack a much larger class ship with a tiny ship it's only natural it takes more of them... What's not natural is that one big ship can prevent an even bigger ship from warping off without any kind of consequence.

So your equal-player-equals-balance formula only applies when you think it appropriate? I think it is unbalanced that the largest and most damage-dealing ship I can fly in highsec is unable to kill your freighter under any circumstances (except if you purposely flag yourself). That is the unbalanced situation CCP is trying to deal with for capital ships, and one way to mitigate their power is to make capital ships vulnerable to bumping (and tackling in general) by smaller ships.

Eve is a social game. Ganking a freighter takers multiple players working together. Flying a freighter (or any capital ship) safely requires the same although the single webbing ship that a freighter needs to be safe barely qualifies as cooperative play.