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Solecist Project
#21 - 2015-04-21 16:53:12 UTC
Do you want to classify them based on their humanity ...
... or based on their anatomy, which includes origins?

(ignoring that humans haven't evolved in 20k years which is silly ofc.)


Based on the latter, capsuleers clearly are humans.
This would probably be different or more blurry if evolution had happened.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-04-21 16:54:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Freya Sertan
Solecist Project wrote:
Do you want to classify them based on their humanity ...
... or based on their anatomy, which includes origins?

(ignoring that humans haven't evolved in 20k years which is silly ofc.)


Based on the latter, capsuleers clearly are humans.
This would probably be different or more blurry if evolution had happened.


Is a clone that is only the memories of the implanted... a human? That's the question.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-04-21 17:47:27 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Is a clone that is only the memories of the implanted... a human? That's the question.


The Internet wrote:
clone

kləʊn
noun
1.
BIOLOGY
an organism or cell, or group of organisms or cells, produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical.


Yes. Why wouldn't it be? If we clone a goat, the goat clone is a goat. Same goes for humans, just because it's "icky" and would be weird to us, doesn't change the fact that a human clone would still be a human being.

Now, if you want to talk morality and ethics, sure, there are complications. it's murky water. But the very reason the question bothers us is because it IS in fact a human being.

Grrr.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-04-21 18:40:33 UTC
Also, just to throw out, there's a lot of mentions of "humans" and "humanity" in the lore, so it looks like the name for the species stuck.

As for what to call us....I'm sure there are plenty of choice words that would apply Big smile
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-04-21 19:32:09 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Do you want to classify them based on their humanity ...
... or based on their anatomy, which includes origins?

(ignoring that humans haven't evolved in 20k years which is silly ofc.)


Based on the latter, capsuleers clearly are humans.
This would probably be different or more blurry if evolution had happened.


Is a clone that is only the memories of the implanted... a human? That's the question.


Yes.

Been around since the beginning.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-04-22 21:43:01 UTC
When you say Universe, do remember we then count those from the Milky Way along as well, who have colonised the entirety of The Milky Way...
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#27 - 2015-04-22 21:48:52 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
When you say Universe, do remember we then count those from the Milky Way along as well, who have colonised the entirety of The Milky Way...

Do you know what a pedant is?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#28 - 2015-04-22 22:23:54 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
How many humans are there in the EVE universe, total?
100 billion? 500?



I vaguely recall one of the Eve novels mentioning this but I don't recall which one and where.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#29 - 2015-04-22 23:16:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kueyen
Empire total: 70.313 trillion


Empire demographics (by Nationality / Ethnicity) :

Amarr Empire: 32.170 trillion

  • 15.872 trillion Amarr
  • 10.721 trillion enslaved Minmatar
  • 3.860 trillion Caldari
  • 1.501 trillion Gallente
  • 0.214 trillion free Minmatar

Gallente Federation: 19.991 trillion

  • 10.395 trillion Gallente
  • 6.997 trillion Minmatar
  • 1.599 trillion Caldari
  • 0.999 trillion Amarr

Minmatar Republic: 9.641 trillion

  • 6.556 trillion Minmatar
  • 2.024 trillion Gallente
  • 0.867 trillion Caldari
  • 0.193 trillion Amarr

Caldari State: 8.511 trillion

  • 7.654 trillion Caldari
  • 0.420 trillion Amarr
  • 0.252 trillion Gallente
  • 0.084 trillion Minmatar


Empire demographics (by Ethnicity) :

  • 24.563 trillion Minmatar
  • 17.484 trillion Amarr
  • 14.172 trillion Gallente
  • 13.980 trillion Caldari


Source: EVE Source.

Until all are free...
Zealous Miner
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-04-22 23:34:57 UTC
Kueyen wrote:
Amarr Empire: 32.170 trillion

Man.

For a super conservative society those Amarr really like to get it on.

Fedo. Fedo? Fedo!
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2015-04-22 23:54:29 UTC
Zealous Miner wrote:
Kueyen wrote:
Amarr Empire: 32.170 trillion

Man.

For a super conservative society those Amarr really like to get it on.


Every sperm is sacred.

(Never miss a chance for a Python reference Blink)
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-04-23 00:05:37 UTC
Zealous Miner wrote:
Kueyen wrote:
Amarr Empire: 32.170 trillion

Man.

For a super conservative society those Amarr really like to get it on.


Do it for the Empress. Or Emperor if you're Khanid.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#33 - 2015-04-23 02:29:39 UTC
Look very closely at your ship. See those tiny little bright dots? Those are probably windows. Consider just how many people are in a frigate.

Now consider how many people are in a station full of ships and then think that most armies have 8x more support personnel, such as chefs, drivers, boot repairs, etc then front line troops.
Then look at how many stations there are.
How many planets that can support life (lava and barren are possible as all you need is energy)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2015-04-23 02:53:55 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Look very closely at your ship. See those tiny little bright dots? Those are probably windows. Consider just how many people are in a frigate.


Actually, the crew of a capsuleer frigate is extremely low. it ranges between 1 and 3 people, and is dependent on the ship type (Gallente, for instance, rely more heavily on automation and smaller crew sizes). Non-capsuleer frigates have very small crews as well, anywhere between 2 and 10 people.

Further reference: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_crew_guidelines
Whittorical Quandary
Amarrian Infinity
#35 - 2015-04-23 05:01:26 UTC
All i know is that they're considered "livestock" which would fit in perfectly,as a component of my PI Wetware Mainframe production.

Trillions of "livestock" that could be harvested and turned into electronics... Soylent Mainframes...

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— Abraham Lincoln
Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-04-23 05:34:08 UTC
Azda Ja wrote:
Trillions isn't surprising at all considering how spread out the empires are. Not only that, but they started from scratch on many different planets. We can assume after their own cultures had industrial revolutions, their populations would have skyrocketed on each planet like on earth. So we have a crap ton of civilizations showing up on many different planets, all of them reproducing like, well, humans. We can add in the fact that real estate and resource scarcity doesn't seem to be much of a problem when it comes to the survival of the species at this point given that they are space faring and colonizing new worlds. They've probably got a far higher life expectancy too, what with their fancy schmancy space age medicine. Yeah, Trillions doesn't surprise me at all.




With the way that "normal" life is portrayed in the lore I'm not sure if that is a really accurate idea.

I mean, one thing to remember is that the "people had a average lifespan of 30" comes from the fact that a large number of people didn't live past the age of 1 (or 0) so that brought the average lifespan down a lot, but from what I have read a normal person (even in the so called dark ages) could expect to live well into the 60s/70s (or even 90s) which isn't that much younger than today. A real boost to a societies lifespan comes in making sure that people live past childhood, not keeping the old alive longer.



From the lore that I have seen for New Eden's non-capsuleer residents they could live for multiple lifetimes in magnificent splendor off what the poorest capsuleer would spend on the cheapest of fits. That combined with the fact that ISK itself is a currency above and beyond what the average person uses, and the fact that crowding is a issue on the stations, especially in the minnmitar and caldari states. I think it would be pretty safe to assume that the average resident in New Eden isn't living a life much better than in the middle class of a 1st world country, with access to medicine and food only a few steps above ours (if they can afford it)



I'm curious about how many people are spread around New Eden and WH space working at PI facilities for tha capsuleer overlords.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#37 - 2015-04-23 06:18:00 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Zealous Miner wrote:
Kueyen wrote:
Amarr Empire: 32.170 trillion

Man.

For a super conservative society those Amarr really like to get it on.


Every sperm is sacred.

(Never miss a chance for a Python reference Blink)





GOAL!

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2015-04-23 06:33:10 UTC
Kashadin wrote:
Azda Ja wrote:
Trillions isn't surprising at all considering how spread out the empires are. Not only that, but they started from scratch on many different planets. We can assume after their own cultures had industrial revolutions, their populations would have skyrocketed on each planet like on earth. So we have a crap ton of civilizations showing up on many different planets, all of them reproducing like, well, humans. We can add in the fact that real estate and resource scarcity doesn't seem to be much of a problem when it comes to the survival of the species at this point given that they are space faring and colonizing new worlds. They've probably got a far higher life expectancy too, what with their fancy schmancy space age medicine. Yeah, Trillions doesn't surprise me at all.




With the way that "normal" life is portrayed in the lore I'm not sure if that is a really accurate idea.

I mean, one thing to remember is that the "people had a average lifespan of 30" comes from the fact that a large number of people didn't live past the age of 1 (or 0) so that brought the average lifespan down a lot, but from what I have read a normal person (even in the so called dark ages) could expect to live well into the 60s/70s (or even 90s) which isn't that much younger than today. A real boost to a societies lifespan comes in making sure that people live past childhood, not keeping the old alive longer.



From the lore that I have seen for New Eden's non-capsuleer residents they could live for multiple lifetimes in magnificent splendor off what the poorest capsuleer would spend on the cheapest of fits. That combined with the fact that ISK itself is a currency above and beyond what the average person uses, and the fact that crowding is a issue on the stations, especially in the minnmitar and caldari states. I think it would be pretty safe to assume that the average resident in New Eden isn't living a life much better than in the middle class of a 1st world country, with access to medicine and food only a few steps above ours (if they can afford it)



I'm curious about how many people are spread around New Eden and WH space working at PI facilities for tha capsuleer overlords.


How can Caldari Stations be overcrowded when we have one of the lowest population base in the cluster? (Jita 4-4 is an outlier).

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Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-04-23 07:06:07 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Kashadin wrote:
Azda Ja wrote:
Trillions isn't surprising at all considering how spread out the empires are. Not only that, but they started from scratch on many different planets. We can assume after their own cultures had industrial revolutions, their populations would have skyrocketed on each planet like on earth. So we have a crap ton of civilizations showing up on many different planets, all of them reproducing like, well, humans. We can add in the fact that real estate and resource scarcity doesn't seem to be much of a problem when it comes to the survival of the species at this point given that they are space faring and colonizing new worlds. They've probably got a far higher life expectancy too, what with their fancy schmancy space age medicine. Yeah, Trillions doesn't surprise me at all.




With the way that "normal" life is portrayed in the lore I'm not sure if that is a really accurate idea.

I mean, one thing to remember is that the "people had a average lifespan of 30" comes from the fact that a large number of people didn't live past the age of 1 (or 0) so that brought the average lifespan down a lot, but from what I have read a normal person (even in the so called dark ages) could expect to live well into the 60s/70s (or even 90s) which isn't that much younger than today. A real boost to a societies lifespan comes in making sure that people live past childhood, not keeping the old alive longer.



From the lore that I have seen for New Eden's non-capsuleer residents they could live for multiple lifetimes in magnificent splendor off what the poorest capsuleer would spend on the cheapest of fits. That combined with the fact that ISK itself is a currency above and beyond what the average person uses, and the fact that crowding is a issue on the stations, especially in the minnmitar and caldari states. I think it would be pretty safe to assume that the average resident in New Eden isn't living a life much better than in the middle class of a 1st world country, with access to medicine and food only a few steps above ours (if they can afford it)



I'm curious about how many people are spread around New Eden and WH space working at PI facilities for tha capsuleer overlords.


How can Caldari Stations be overcrowded when we have one of the lowest population base in the cluster? (Jita 4-4 is an outlier).



Low inter-galactic population does not mean that they have a low station populations. If anything I think that most (especially the Working Class) of the people who identify as Caldari would end up on stations, which I think is a part of the reason for them having a lower population than the other races.

The Caldari seem to have a large gulf between the richer upper class and the working class. Like most modern 1st world countries the Upper class would have a large amount of the room and luxuries where as the working class would kind of "make due".

Add in the fact that many of the stations would have large amounts of room dedicated to housing the capsuleers and all the ships that come in and out of them, not to mention the areas dedication to manufacturing, and the areas dedicated to keeping the station running, and the room set aside for the directors/owners of the stations. The amount of room that is available to use to the "common" people and any station would quickly run out and in the case of the Caldari (and a lesser extent the amarr and even the minmatar if for different reasons) then the people running the station just wouldn't/couldn't do anything to try to help.
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2015-04-23 13:32:21 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
The Minmatar Republic has a population of 9.641 trillion according to Source.


I'd just like to butt in to say that we Amarr are doing our best to take care of that. Twisted

Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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