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Want AUR for your SKINs? Buy now! (new, poorer AUR packages inbound)

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#21 - 2015-04-22 14:14:36 UTC
Trajan Unknown wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
CCP never has understood the "micro" part of micro-transactions.

There's nothing micro about these prices, or the way they implemented the skin system. The point of micro-transactions is that they're so small you don't notice or mind paying them repeatedly because they're... wait for it... micro!

If skins had been a one-time paintjob for your ship, and cost 1-5 aurum for frigates, 5-20 for cruisers, up to 1-200 for battleships and maybe as much as 500-1000 for capital ships, people would still buy them. And they would buy them regularly.

These SKINs aren't micro-transactions, but at least they're not $1000 jeans either. I can live with it.



I am pretty certain you´re totally underestimating the individual understanding of "micro transaction". In it original meaning it is less than 1buck yes but look around, people are more than willing to pay 30bucks for a skin set and some (enough) are paying up to 300bucks for a cosmetic item. EvE is pretty alone with the current system where you can buy cosmetics with ingame currency that can be earned with time instead of real money without grinding for weeks.

Best examples are dota2/CS and TF² where people spend hundreds of $ for keys to open chests that may have an item inside that is worth more than the key they bought.
Micro transactions in it´s original meaning are used for "consumables" only nowadays because it makes no sense to sell something for dirt cheap and make it permanent.
Before the change is was a bit harsh to spend 150AUR on a frig skin that is a consumable. Now you have to pay a lot more but you can keep it. For me it´s pure win because I can finally use all the skins I bought without losing them.



edit: May I ask you Mr R4nd0m why I am dumb? If 20bucks for the skin is a good exchange for me why shouldn´t I buy it? If you have to decide between spending 20bucks on a game/hobby or buying food buying the skin is not the smartest thing yes. If you don´t be in that position it´s not dumb to spend the money I think. I am personally running EvE on a 300€/month budget so 20bucks is not much of my budget. Not that I use it every month, mostly not even close to it but for me EvE replaced a way more expensive hobby so I am totally fine with it and my wife too what is the more important thing I guess. :D


Heh, that reminds me a guy I met, he said "you think that paying 10 accounts with cash is expensive for a hobby? Try photography!" Lol

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Memphis Baas
#22 - 2015-04-22 14:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
Trajan Unknown wrote:
EvE is pretty alone with the current system where you can buy cosmetics with ingame currency that can be earned with time instead of real money without grinding for weeks.


EVE is not alone; any game that has an auction house has this. I know for sure that SWTOR allows cosmetics (armor shells that look differently but have same stats, as well as paint schema to re-color them) to be resold for in-game money on the auction house, and then be bound to the account on first use.

CCP is not doing anything original or unique. They're just doing what other MMO's have had for a while. SWTOR's armors are bound to the account (the equivalent in EVE would be a skin that lets your Velator look like a Scorpion), and the paint / color schemes are all permanent and work for ALL armors not just one specific set. They also cost less than the paints here.

But anyway, let's let them release the skins and publish a dev blog with stats about initial sales, before judging.

Because often times, microtransactions aren't set up for the customer's benefit, they're set up for the developer's benefit. Even SWTOR does things like never selling anything with a guaranteed chance of getting a paint color (you must always buy randomized packs and hope you're lucky to get what you want), and prices them so they don't neatly fit into the AUR chunks that they sell. For example you can buy 900 AUR but the paint costs 1020 AUR, you always have left over chump change to get you to buy more.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-04-22 14:43:18 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Heh, that reminds me a guy I met, he said "you think that paying 10 accounts with cash is expensive for a hobby? Try photography!" Lol


My wife is a photographer. That man spoke truth.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#24 - 2015-04-22 14:45:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
If CCP ever announce some system like the boxes-and-keys in Star Trek Online, where you essentially pay for a shot at really sweet gear and ships, then I'll fly straight to the monument and unleash laser hell. As long as it has no material effect on the game, I really don't care how people choose to spend their discretionary income.

For my other hobby I'm currently mulling a $350 microphone. $20 ain't nothin'.

That said, thanks Indah for the heads up.

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Louise Beethoven
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2015-04-22 14:59:40 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
If CCP ever announce some system like the boxes-and-keys in Star Trek Online, where you essentially pay for a shot at really sweet gear and ships, then I'll fly straight to the monument and unleash laser hell. As long as it has no material effect on the game, I really don't care how people choose to spend their discretionary income.

For my other hobby I'm currently mulling a $350 microphone. $20 ain't nothin'.

That said, thanks Indah for the heads up.

This x1000. The day gambling comes to eve is the day my alts... er my mains are gone.

The prices at the moment are too damn high, but i think eventually CCP will cut the prices across the board, causing gushing torrents of tears from the people who have paid these prices... and their tears will cover the earth
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#26 - 2015-04-22 15:45:10 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
If CCP ever announce some system like the boxes-and-keys in Star Trek Online, where you essentially pay for a shot at really sweet gear and ships, then I'll fly straight to the monument and unleash laser hell. As long as it has no material effect on the game, I really don't care how people choose to spend their discretionary income.

For my other hobby I'm currently mulling a $350 microphone. $20 ain't nothin'.

That said, thanks Indah for the heads up.


Heh, boxes and keys in Star Trek Online... Keys are useful to speculate at the market (buy low, sell high), but the whole system was as borked as in every other F2P i.e. sell price for boxes was ludicrous and you just would trash them periodically once they overflew a slot in the storage area. I figured quickly that the right way to get a special item was to pay for it at the market, specially since one could speculate with keys for a small but interesting profit (a key would pay itself after being sold/bought some 20 to 30 times).

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Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-04-22 16:03:35 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
do you really think i am stupid enough to pay $20 for a skin? no neither do i

CCP targeting the really dumb of eve..


I take offense to this. This implies that I am *stupid* as I would pay that for a skin. I have a very good job and $20 isn't much anyway. As long as the person who purchases the item gets enjoyment out of it, who are you to say it is right or wrong?

To call me stupid because I indulge in something you don't agree with is the pinnacle of arrogance.

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#28 - 2015-04-22 16:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Louise Beethoven wrote:
The day gambling comes to eve is the day my alts... er my mains are gone.

You gamble with your ship very often in this game. Where is risk involved and ISK at the stake, or module, or killmail, you gamble less or more, while engaging enemy or jumping wormhole and deciding to run anomalies or running sites while pirates are in the system, or jumping low sec gate, that unfortunally have been just camped on the other side.

For gambling ISK there are many sites, and CCP could not do it better than what is available there.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-04-22 18:53:44 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
do you really think i am stupid enough to pay $20 for a skin? no neither do i

CCP targeting the really dumb of eve..


I take offense to this. This implies that I am *stupid* as I would pay that for a skin. I have a very good job and $20 isn't much anyway. As long as the person who purchases the item gets enjoyment out of it, who are you to say it is right or wrong?

To call me stupid because I indulge in something you don't agree with is the pinnacle of arrogance.


I never personally called you stupid, and actually by that you have literally called yourself stupid. Now i have a very good job and i earn pretty damn good money. However i also know what good value is and $20 for a skin is not good value. Now if you wish to pay that then that is your personal preference. However people who are willing to be ripped off, and think its a good deal are dumb, whether you can afford it or not.


Its like david beckham pays £800 for when he had is head shaved, when infact bob down the road can do the exact same thing for £10...Now he earns millions and can easily afford it, but really its still dumb to pay that amount...do you sort of get what i am trying to say? I know you'll say no but hey....
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#30 - 2015-04-22 19:07:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Just a quick tip: if you plan to buy SKINs with AUR, it may be a good idea to buy the 4,500 AUR/20 $ package now, as it's going to be removed and the AUR-per-buck will be quite lower with the new AUR packages

The best AUR/$ with the new packages it's 212 AUR/ $, compared to 225 AUR/$ with the current 4,500 AUR/20$ package. With some of the juicier SKINs above 6,000 AUR, that's quite a difference...


First off. Thanks for the PSA, Ishtanchuk.

Secondly, for all the whiners. No one is forcing you to buy these things. If the price is too high for you, then sit on your hands. If enough of you do this, CCP may be swayed to lower the price. But you won't. You'll buy them anyway. Though I'm not sure why. If you are playing properly you won't see the skin unless you are docked. And if you spend all your time docked, why are you even playing?

Mr Epeen Cool
ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#31 - 2015-04-22 19:17:36 UTC
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Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-04-22 19:24:01 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
do you really think i am stupid enough to pay $20 for a skin? no neither do i

CCP targeting the really dumb of eve..


I take offense to this. This implies that I am *stupid* as I would pay that for a skin. I have a very good job and $20 isn't much anyway. As long as the person who purchases the item gets enjoyment out of it, who are you to say it is right or wrong?

To call me stupid because I indulge in something you don't agree with is the pinnacle of arrogance.


I never personally called you stupid, and actually by that you have literally called yourself stupid. .


Your implications speak far louder than anything. You didn't need to call ME stupid.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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