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Dev blog: Ship Customization: Time to Show Some SKIN

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#321 - 2015-04-22 18:44:46 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Hey CCP, What about the:
Miasmos Amastris Edition
Miasmos Quafe Ultra Edition
Miasmos Quafe Ultramarine Edition


Will those get upgraded to matching the current Maismos and turned into Skins, or will they remain unique special edition ships?


More reading and less spamming. The answer is in this thread.

Mr Epeen Cool
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#322 - 2015-04-22 18:52:41 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
Rowells wrote:
This may be a littl eoff-topic, but since we are looking at permanent ship skins as an option, will we ever see the same thing happen for clothing purchased through NES as well?

Clothing is and has always been Perma.. I see no reason to change it.. They are strictly vanity items that have no effect on gameplay at all as you don't even get a KM for em. I think Clothing should be left alone.

Mybe I'm not up to date. Last i recall if you were wearing when you died you lost it for good. Did this change somehow?

I particularly remember having a special jacket i bought with the free 2000 and haven't seen it since i lost it

Clothing you are wearing when you undock does not get destroyed. Clothing in your hold is treated as any loot item, it may drop or be destroyed.

I think the question is if clothing, once worn, would be come non-transferable. Right now, you can buy clothing, wear it, then re-sell on the market. But not SKINs. Once used, you are stuck with them.

I see my confusion now, thanks.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#323 - 2015-04-22 18:53:46 UTC
With the fitting window now expanded for ship SKINs, what are the the chances of getting a ship customization feature that would allow us to change the base and accent colors, coating reflection level, ship window color, ship running lights and engine exhaust color? I would happily pay 20,000 AUR for a race-specific feature like this, which could be limited to a specific color palette per race such that it doesn't conflict too heavily with existing SKINs. Thoughts?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Theo Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#324 - 2015-04-22 18:53:49 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Theo Sotken wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
This all looks very very good.



For those of you saying the prices are too high; maybe they are but, this way CCP can do "SALES" and you can get them cheap every now and then!


That is an awful idea. So the guys who pay 'full' price end up with the feeling they are getting ripped off for not buying in the 'sales' which may or may not happen. Why not introduce a range of affordable skins which everyone will want to buy, some may just to get the complete the set. And then have special edition skins that cost alot which will be rare due to the price of them and limited supply as 'prizes'.


steam games . . . summer sale amd black friday vs rest of the year

Yeah, impulse buys make you angry but at yourself for having no self control.

m


You seem to be strongly indicating that CCP are going to do sales at a later date?
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#325 - 2015-04-22 19:03:06 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
These prices have me terrified of how much a permanent faction-wide SKIN would cost.

Or is that just never gonna happen? Cause at this rate faction-wide would be well over $100.



I don't know if they'll ever do faction wide. I could see something like class wide for each faction though. For instance, an "Inner Zone Shipping Gallente Frigate" skin which would apply to all Gallente frigates. Could do a separate one for T2 frigates, so an "Inner Zone Shipping Gallente Elite Frigate" skin, or just have the one skin apply to all ship variants in that class.

If they did do faction-wide skins though, yeah, get ready to heat up the credit card.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#326 - 2015-04-22 19:04:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Sniper Smith
Mr Epeen wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
Hey CCP, What about the:
Miasmos Amastris Edition
Miasmos Quafe Ultra Edition
Miasmos Quafe Ultramarine Edition


Will those get upgraded to matching the current Maismos and turned into Skins, or will they remain unique special edition ships?


More reading and less spamming. The answer is in this thread.

Mr Epeen Cool

I've read every Dev post in this thread, and I didn't see them address it at all. Including doing a search for Miasmos though the thread. Only one other person than me mentioned these ships, and no response was ever given.

If I'm mistaken I'd love a link to the post, cause I've scanned the thread after reading it the first time and clearly missed it.
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#327 - 2015-04-22 19:17:00 UTC  |  Edited by: jason hill
bit sorry to say this but im sorry to say that I wont be participating in this little venture I do think that some of the skins look truly epic and I do ! and a very big thumbs up to all those involved and I really mean that ..
but I think I`ve spent enough money going to fanfests and player meet`s since 2003 that I`m suitably qualified to say that I`ve invested enough in the game and wont be spending anymore other than what I`ve already done .


good luck with this though and I hope you do well and that everybodies happy with it .
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#328 - 2015-04-22 19:31:46 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
Hey CCP, What about the:
Miasmos Amastris Edition
Miasmos Quafe Ultra Edition
Miasmos Quafe Ultramarine Edition


Will those get upgraded to matching the current Maismos and turned into Skins, or will they remain unique special edition ships?


More reading and less spamming. The answer is in this thread.

Mr Epeen Cool

I've read every Dev post in this thread, and I didn't see them address it at all. Including doing a search for Miasmos though the thread. Only one other person than me mentioned these ships, and no response was ever given.

If I'm mistaken I'd love a link to the post, cause I've scanned the thread after reading it the first time and clearly missed it.


Don't know if it was ever mentioned in this thread, actually. I know I gave the answer in another thread down in general discussion, and CCP FoxFour is the one who originally answered it over on Reddit (always good to watch both here and there for Dev responses....and twitter.....yeesh these people are hard to keep up with).

Anyway, the answer is that the special edition Miasmos-es have different base stats than the regular Miasmos, and they will remain separate ships because of this.

Link to relevent posts on r/eve
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#329 - 2015-04-22 19:41:37 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Don't know if it was ever mentioned in this thread, actually. I know I gave the answer in another thread down in general discussion, and CCP FoxFour is the one who originally answered it over on Reddit (always good to watch both here and there for Dev responses....and twitter.....yeesh these people are hard to keep up with).

Anyway, the answer is that the special edition Miasmos-es have different base stats than the regular Miasmos, and they will remain separate ships because of this.

Link to relevent posts on r/eve

Thanks for the link :)
It's a shame, I like their new (well, old) stats, but still would love to be able to fly them without being worries that they will go boom boom lol.. Oh well :)
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#330 - 2015-04-22 20:10:44 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
This all looks very very good.

For those of you saying the prices are too high; maybe they are but, this way CCP can do "SALES" and you can get them cheap every now and then!

Cheap? Cheap would be if these skins were available ingame in the LP stores. Sales do not change the fact that I have to pay very un-micro-transaction-like amounts of money in addition to my already running subscription to get this stuff. Every AUR spend on these skins is too expensive as we already pay subscription to CCP. 10$ for not even 1 skin is a little bit not-so-cheap in my opinion, 20$ even in some cases.

And I restate my question from before: What are sales numbers from NES? What is their percentage compared to subscription income? Does the percentage and profit/loss warrant the massive amount of work put into that stuff?

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Sojourn
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#331 - 2015-04-22 20:21:03 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Sojourn wrote:
"now there will be unlimited copied of limited edition ships"


Erm, which part of "the skin only applies to you, the actual ship doesn't change, you cannot sell limited edition ships, and the number of limited edition skins that will be available on the market will be INCREDIBLY small, not to mention the fact that the skins are a one time use only item" did you not pick up on? So if by "unlimited copies" you meant "the people who actually fly them will be the ONLY people who CAN fly them, ever".

Just to review here: me and my poor self will not be able to go out and buy unlimited numbers of this ship, instead I would need to buy one of an extremely limited number of the permanent skin.

And if you're going to sling crappy insults around, at least do it with a non-NPC toon Blink

Are you thick or something?

I'll explain it for you, because obviously your poor mind needs help:

Before: Rattlesnake Victory Edition (A rare(ish) ship and around 4 bill ISK to whelp). Someone flies it. Pew pew. Blows up. Lost ship. Ship is completely gone ergo.........NOT.....COMING.......BACK.

After: Rattlesnake Victory Edition. Someone flies it. Pew pew. Blows up. Lost ship. Buys another Rattlesnake, reskins it with the victory edition....AS MANY TIMES AS HE WANTS... ERGO UNLIMITED...

(If you can quote where they state that its not a permanent skin, please do, as I havent read that it wont be a permanent skin anywhere (permanent to that person)).

And what you don't like that I'm sat in an NPC corp. Awww bless you, tough ****. I like it here and that's where I will stay until I want a new corp.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#332 - 2015-04-22 20:44:01 UTC
Sojourn wrote:
Before: Rattlesnake Victory Edition (A rare(ish) ship and around 4 bill ISK to whelp). Someone flies it. Pew pew. Blows up. Lost ship. Ship is completely gone ergo.........NOT.....COMING.......BACK.

Let's also not forget that once applied, that SKIN is never going to see the light of day outside of the sale of that toon.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#333 - 2015-04-22 21:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ned Thomas
Sojourn wrote:
I am remarkably determined to be mad about something


You've changed your argument twice now Big smile

So yes, it will be unlimited. For that character. Only. Ever. Once used, it's used.

The ABILITY to fly the ships forever and ever is what will be rare. And that ABILITY will be far more expensive and valuable than the ship could have ever been, and will only increase in value over time.

Also, you seem a tad overly emotional about being in a fake corp.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2015-04-22 21:03:54 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Sojourn wrote:
Before: Rattlesnake Victory Edition (A rare(ish) ship and around 4 bill ISK to whelp). Someone flies it. Pew pew. Blows up. Lost ship. Ship is completely gone ergo.........NOT.....COMING.......BACK.

Let's also not forget that once applied, that SKIN is never going to see the light of day outside of the sale of that toon.

While I still hope CCP will add a way to uninstall a SKIN License and make it an item again, with the way it's being made now expect prices to skyrocket.. Cause now you can fly that "rare" ship. But at the same time, if you ever fly it, you can't sell it.

Now personally I want a way to pay to remove one, like a PLEX for re-sculpt or something, or even an out-of-game system like trading Chars, 2 PLEX to trade a skin from one char to another.. Cause the downside of this new system is today I can fly my Victory RS, run missions, do whatever, then sell it after.. But come the change (once the Victory edition gets rolled in) I won't be able too :(
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#335 - 2015-04-22 21:14:29 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
While I still hope CCP will add a way to uninstall a SKIN License and make it an item again, with the way it's being made now expect prices to skyrocket.. Cause now you can fly that "rare" ship. But at the same time, if you ever fly it, you can't sell it.

Now personally I want a way to pay to remove one, like a PLEX for re-sculpt or something, or even an out-of-game system like trading Chars, 2 PLEX to trade a skin from one char to another.. Cause the downside of this new system is today I can fly my Victory RS, run missions, do whatever, then sell it after.. But come the change (once the Victory edition gets rolled in) I won't be able too :(

You paid for it - I don't see why you can't deactivate it. You can remove your monocle...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#336 - 2015-04-22 21:18:40 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
While I still hope CCP will add a way to uninstall a SKIN License and make it an item again, with the way it's being made now expect prices to skyrocket.. Cause now you can fly that "rare" ship. But at the same time, if you ever fly it, you can't sell it.

Now personally I want a way to pay to remove one, like a PLEX for re-sculpt or something, or even an out-of-game system like trading Chars, 2 PLEX to trade a skin from one char to another.. Cause the downside of this new system is today I can fly my Victory RS, run missions, do whatever, then sell it after.. But come the change (once the Victory edition gets rolled in) I won't be able too :(

You paid for it - I don't see why you can't deactivate it. You can remove your monocle...


Agreed, but this probably falls into the catagory "things that will change over time as the system gets fleshed out".
ADarwinAward Winner
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#337 - 2015-04-22 21:45:05 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
As an addendum, there are a few ships we would like to convert over in the future, and will be doing so in subsequent releases.

The Rattlesnake Victory Edition has some technical issues with the underlying model, but once those are sorted it will be converted to a SKIN.
The Capsule - Genolution 'Auroral' 197-variant is currently created from an implant (Genolution 'Auroral' AU-79) in a very specific and roundabout way. This will be removed in the future in favor of standardizing it with the rest of the ships as a capsule SKIN.


What about shuttles? Goru's and Guristas map to the caldari shuttle and are available in game so 30-day and interbus maps to the gallente shuttle permanent. We can lose the extra 10 m^3 from the interbus. The interbus one just looks so awesome, I want to be able to spin it wherever I can find gallenete shuttles.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#338 - 2015-04-22 21:45:36 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Agreed, but this probably falls into the catagory "things that will change over time as the system gets fleshed out".

Hopefully. Otherwise a lot of these SKINs will never be seen...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#339 - 2015-04-22 21:53:18 UTC
ADarwinAward Winner wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:
As an addendum, there are a few ships we would like to convert over in the future, and will be doing so in subsequent releases.

The Rattlesnake Victory Edition has some technical issues with the underlying model, but once those are sorted it will be converted to a SKIN.
The Capsule - Genolution 'Auroral' 197-variant is currently created from an implant (Genolution 'Auroral' AU-79) in a very specific and roundabout way. This will be removed in the future in favor of standardizing it with the rest of the ships as a capsule SKIN.


What about shuttles? Goru's and Guristas map to the caldari shuttle and are available in game so 30-day and interbus maps to the gallente shuttle permanent. We can lose the extra 10 m^3 from the interbus. The interbus one just looks so awesome, I want to be able to spin it wherever I can find gallenete shuttles.

Like the used to be Iteron IV's, those shuttles have different stats than the standard Shuttle if I'm not mistake (beyond the Interbus one which we all know has the extra cargo..)

But I'd love to see them mapped over.. At least the first two, since their stats difference don't have too much meaning.. Interbus, I like it being unique, but I'd love for an Interbus Shuttle Skin for Gal shuttles, so we can all go back to flying around in Naboo Shuttles like the days of younder :D
Sanguine DeMortem
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#340 - 2015-04-22 22:04:20 UTC
I do hope they eventually expand the skins to the pirate faction ships. Khanid Cruor looks pretty nice. Any possibility of the code used to generate the ships for this being released, or made available over the API? Making an app to pull the generated WebGL pages after selecting ship and paint job from a dropdown menu would be really fun.