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Dev blog: Ship Customization: Time to Show Some SKIN

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kyoukoku
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#221 - 2015-04-22 10:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: kyoukoku
Ned Thomas wrote:
Ok, so three things:

3) If I play around with the url of the nifty ship spinner in the blog, I can apply any skin to any ship. I'm hoping this is a future goal. Please say it is :)


IdeaOohh I'd like my Tri-Hulled-Space-UBoat-LancasterBomber-BSG-Delorean - AKA the "Algos" - to be available in these flavours please:
Aliastra,
Duvolle Labs

How about the Nemesis in:
Aliastra
Quafe

And the Talos in:
Aliastra
Quafe

Hulk in Aliastra & Duvolle Labs bling! bling!Shocked

And the Orca in:
Aliastra
Duvolle
Quafe

Myrmidon in:
Aliastra
Quafe

Holy schittsnacks! How about the SoE Astero in these flavours:
Aliastra
Duvolle
Quafe

same with the SoE Stratios:
Aliastra
Duvolle
Quafe

and the Nestor:
Aliastra
Duvolle
Quafe

OMG THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS!!!!ShockedPTwistedBlinkBearBig smileRollIdeaIdeaIdeaAttentionAttention

That is once the prices have been sanitised to true micro-transaction levels Roll
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#222 - 2015-04-22 10:15:05 UTC
Damjan Fox wrote:
And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all.
They ether won't be on the market or will only be there at large markup, same as painted ships were.
kyoukoku
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#223 - 2015-04-22 10:17:07 UTC
Damjan Fox wrote:
Prices might seem quite high at first, but you have to consider, that these new SKINs are indestructible now. You only have to purchase them once. And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all.
(...and it's not like i have bought 1 or 2 skinned ships in advance Twisted)

PS:
How long do i have to wait, till i get my Black Astero or Black Stratios? Please, CCP, make it happen!Cry


Great minds think alike, see my post right after yours.

It's certainly doable as any ship hull in the game can be be skinned with any other "flavours". This goes to show that CCP must have designed the system with a lot of flexibility in mind for the future.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#224 - 2015-04-22 10:20:35 UTC
kyoukoku wrote:
Damjan Fox wrote:
Prices might seem quite high at first, but you have to consider, that these new SKINs are indestructible now. You only have to purchase them once. And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all.
(...and it's not like i have bought 1 or 2 skinned ships in advance Twisted)

PS:
How long do i have to wait, till i get my Black Astero or Black Stratios? Please, CCP, make it happen!Cry


Great minds think alike, see my post right after yours.

It's certainly doable as any ship hull in the game can be be skinned with any other "flavours". This goes to show that CCP must have designed the system with a lot of flexibility in mind for the future.



The art and technical departments have created a tour de force, a real masterpiece of engineering and design.
I am sure some game will copy it, and make good money by selling the result at a fair price.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
NekoKitten
Neko Industry 'n' PvE
#225 - 2015-04-22 10:20:43 UTC
How about dropping a time limited skin of a ship that was SKINned by a capsuleer that got destroyed in pvp and ofcourse treated like any loot drop (yes or no said the loot fairy), is that an idea or a terrible one ?
Theo Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#226 - 2015-04-22 10:32:11 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
This all looks very very good.



For those of you saying the prices are too high; maybe they are but, this way CCP can do "SALES" and you can get them cheap every now and then!


That is an awful idea. So the guys who pay 'full' price end up with the feeling they are getting ripped off for not buying in the 'sales' which may or may not happen. Why not introduce a range of affordable skins which everyone will want to buy, some may just to get the complete the set. And then have special edition skins that cost alot which will be rare due to the price of them and limited supply as 'prizes'.
Tootenh'amon
#227 - 2015-04-22 10:36:23 UTC
I find it racist that there are no Vherokior skins to be found on the list Sad Unlike what CCP seems to suggest, Vherokior indeed can into space.
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#228 - 2015-04-22 10:45:10 UTC
Theo Sotken wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
This all looks very very good.



For those of you saying the prices are too high; maybe they are but, this way CCP can do "SALES" and you can get them cheap every now and then!


That is an awful idea. So the guys who pay 'full' price end up with the feeling they are getting ripped off for not buying in the 'sales' which may or may not happen. Why not introduce a range of affordable skins which everyone will want to buy, some may just to get the complete the set. And then have special edition skins that cost alot which will be rare due to the price of them and limited supply as 'prizes'.



Ever play World of Tanks?

Many many times I've bought the next tank in the tech tree to only end up seeing it appear "ON SALE" the week after.

These things happen and it's just bad luck. If you wanted an item before it went on sale and you paid full price for it that's simply your problem. HTFU and deal with it as guess what, the same raw deal happens in the real world all the time too.
Safr0n
Star One Corp
#229 - 2015-04-22 10:46:49 UTC
Nice one CCP.
Theo Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#230 - 2015-04-22 10:50:07 UTC
Damjan Fox wrote:
Prices might seem quite high at first, but you have to consider, that these new SKINs are indestructible now. You only have to purchase them once. And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all.
(...and it's not like i have bought 1 or 2 skinned ships in advance Twisted)

PS:
How long do i have to wait, till i get my Black Astero or Black Stratios? Please, CCP, make it happen!Cry


If you want a skins on your three characters it requires you to make three purchases. It seems like a pretty waste of development time if people don't make use of multiple skins however with the cost most characters will probably end up with one or two favourite skins installed. Hell i'm into a small windfall with this stuff and even I can't justify installing the skins at these prices.
Panther X
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#231 - 2015-04-22 10:55:31 UTC
Caiman Graystock wrote:
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Caiman Graystock wrote:
Are skins applicable to tech II variants?


According to the dev blog, no.

Thanks guess I should have read the whole thing first!

CCP there were some Tech II variant skins on the server (though unreleased) already AFAIK (e.g. Blood Raider Paladin, etc) - I hope these aren't far behind...


This.

Please don't forget about my Blood Raider Paladin. The rest? Meh. Cool

My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...
Panther X
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#232 - 2015-04-22 11:04:54 UTC
Damjan Fox wrote:
Prices might seem quite high at first, but you have to consider, that these new SKINs are indestructible now. You only have to purchase them once. And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all.
(...and it's not like i have bought 1 or 2 skinned ships in advance Twisted)



True, but now all of our corp skinned dreads are kinda rendered invalid. it was nice being able to show up in CTAs with Sarum revs that I didn't have to skin myself.

Oh well.

My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...
Titus Tallang
EVE University
Ivy League
#233 - 2015-04-22 11:05:44 UTC
After skimming the devblog, there's two things I distinctly dislike about this proposal:


  • The new AUR pricing model is priced in a way so that the three lower price tiers are set to be just below the purchase value for certain skins.

    • 05.00$ -> 0900 AUR (skin tier: 1095 AUR)
    • 10.00$ -> 1950 AUR (skin tier: 1965 AUR)
    • 20.00$ -> 4035 AUR (skin tier: 4300 AUR)

    This feels like a very low-tier move aimed at artificially raising sales by a marginal amount, and we've honestly come to expect better from you, CCP.
  • Skins are tied to character instead of account. Feels like another attempt at increasing sales.


CCP. If you release SKINs in a way that most people are happy with, they will generate sufficient revenue on their own. You have a very passionate community already. No need to stoop to the level of revenue generation strategies typically associated with F2P microtransaction games to get another 5% more.
We honestly expected you to be better than that.

Director of Education - EVE University - http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#234 - 2015-04-22 11:10:14 UTC
Don't bother putting SKINs on killmails, nobody cares because they haven't been killed. Nothing shiny and expensive was lost, it's as inconsequential as the clothes the pilot was wearing.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#235 - 2015-04-22 11:15:00 UTC
I do hope you guys start giving us some T2 and faction ship skins. I like being able to customize my ships, but rarely fly T1 anymore.

Also, at some point I hope we will be able to make fully custom paint jobs, be it personal, corporate or alliance.
Theo Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#236 - 2015-04-22 11:19:35 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Theo Sotken wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
This all looks very very good.



For those of you saying the prices are too high; maybe they are but, this way CCP can do "SALES" and you can get them cheap every now and then!


That is an awful idea. So the guys who pay 'full' price end up with the feeling they are getting ripped off for not buying in the 'sales' which may or may not happen. Why not introduce a range of affordable skins which everyone will want to buy, some may just to get the complete the set. And then have special edition skins that cost alot which will be rare due to the price of them and limited supply as 'prizes'.



Ever play World of Tanks?

Many many times I've bought the next tank in the tech tree to only end up seeing it appear "ON SALE" the week after.

These things happen and it's just bad luck. If you wanted an item before it went on sale and you paid full price for it that's simply your problem. HTFU and deal with it as guess what, the same raw deal happens in the real world all the time too.


I agree World of Tanks does free to play very well. However it is a pay to win game also.

Charging a subscription fee and having players pay for stuff is balancing act CCP has had problems with in the past. They didn't sort it out by saying 'HTFU and deal with it '. I think we both agree we like the skins idea we just disagree on how CCP should try to profit from it.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#237 - 2015-04-22 11:27:10 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Titus Tallang wrote:
After skimming the devblog, there's two things I distinctly dislike about this proposal:


  • The new AUR pricing model is priced in a way so that the three lower price tiers are set to be just below the purchase value for certain skins.

    • 05.00$ -> 0900 AUR (skin tier: 1095 AUR)
    • 10.00$ -> 1950 AUR (skin tier: 1965 AUR)
    • 20.00$ -> 4035 AUR (skin tier: 4300 AUR)

    This feels like a very low-tier move aimed at artificially raising sales by a marginal amount, and we've honestly come to expect better from you, CCP.
  • Skins are tied to character instead of account. Feels like another attempt at increasing sales.


CCP. If you release SKINs in a way that most people are happy with, they will generate sufficient revenue on their own. You have a very passionate community already. No need to stoop to the level of revenue generation strategies typically associated with F2P microtransaction games to get another 5% more.
We honestly expected you to be better than that.



Ouch, that's unfortunate, hopefully it is just a disconnect, between those pricing the skins and those setting the aurum price.

Of course if it is deliberate, then that is another reason not to support it, other than the overpricing.

If the marketing department are deliberately playing and manipulating us for fools, then we can only give our response, by completely boycotting it. Each will make his or own call as to whether we accept that treatment.

I would have thought they would have realised it would not take EVE players long to work things out? We are somewhat good at that, as history shows.

We will see, I imagine.

No one will get too excited, but this is something we don't need, and can easily live without.

Not exactly great PR though, such a pity to see such good work turned into a thing of shame.

It doesn't seem as if CCP Seagull's message has reached marketing yet, so sad to see all of her good work, and those of her teams, undone in such a manner, for so little gain.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#238 - 2015-04-22 11:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr R4nd0m
I thought the whole skin thing could be quite cool, until i saw the latest AUR costs. Seriously you expect us to pay between $10-$20 for a skin? Really CCP?

I know you probably can get them for ISK in game but 400-1000 mill no.... for me i would never pay such extortionate prices for something so well trivial and especially something i will never own....this is a real shame and well not much more to add.
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#239 - 2015-04-22 11:32:39 UTC
Dangeresque Too wrote:
But seriously though... how do you see the market saturation affecting the price of all these SKINs over time? So I'll just save my Aur and my ISK for after everybody has them and they are worthless because nobody needs to buy them anymore, real great plan for sustained use.

And what the heck does the "Market" entry mean in the price column? That it isn't going to be available for Aur but only through LP stores and then the open market for ISK?


The Temporary SKINs are all loot drops, which means the price is not self regulating because there is a constant supply coming in, just from people running missions and finding them. For the LP store and NES SKINs, if the market for them becomes over-saturated, people will just stop buying them, and thus those markets are much more self regulating.

The market entry in the price column means that we won't be selling them in the NES and they don't come from loot drops or LP stores, so you'll have to buy them from other players in the market. These are mostly promotional SKINs that were given out as one time things through the years.

@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
Burnt Beans
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#240 - 2015-04-22 11:32:53 UTC
Question to CCP.

I am currently in possession of the quafe ships after subscribing for a year. They are being held on an alt account.

Does the character I wish the permanent skins to belong to after the change have to have possession of the ships at the change or is the skin transferrable before applying?

Cheers