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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1681 - 2011-12-25 07:44:23 UTC
Arcathra wrote:
So I have a question for you. Where is your evidence that this thread has only two or three "space barbie fetishists" and their alts"? Where is your eveidence? There is no way you can know the alts of all people who are posting here. And to beginn with, not all of the supporters are even "space barbie fetishists".

I've been involved with the thread since the beginning. If you read all of it you'll see a pattern where there a couple of people crying about not having enough dresses and then a rotating stable of characters in newbie corps who write *exactly* the same way as the first set of WiS whiners.

And yes, if somebody is upset that CCP saved their game by putting roleplaying microtransaction nonsense on the backburner and are demanding an answer to when CCP will reverse that deserves to be labeled as a space barbie fetishist.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1682 - 2011-12-25 07:48:26 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Arcathra wrote:
So I have a question for you. Where is your evidence that this thread has only two or three "space barbie fetishists" and their alts"? Where is your eveidence? There is no way you can know the alts of all people who are posting here. And to beginn with, not all of the supporters are even "space barbie fetishists".

I've been involved with the thread since the beginning. If you read all of it you'll see a pattern where there a couple of people crying about not having enough dresses and then a rotating stable of characters in newbie corps who write *exactly* the same way as the first set of WiS whiners.

And yes, if somebody is upset that CCP saved their game by putting roleplaying microtransaction nonsense on the backburner and are demanding an answer to when CCP will reverse that deserves to be labeled as a space barbie fetishist.



heheheheh and you belong to the same 2 or 3 people ,wanting to show the world their wishate

with the six of us ,we made a very long thread ,is it not

R.S.I2014
Shuno Bravo
Perkone
Caldari State
#1683 - 2011-12-25 09:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Shuno Bravo
Going back to the OP quote : "People want more spaceships, ... "

I am not interested in joining the WIS v FIS debate.

I think from a new revenue, i.e. new subscribers perspective, the more interesting question is do newbies really want more and more ships or is it actually a turn-off ? How can this issue be addressed ?
I have posted one proposal in 'little things' & below :

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=549074#post549074

#1568 Posted: 2011.12.19 10:02
Overview & Ship info.

To a new player the number of different types of ships is overwellming.

The overview is not helpful in this respect as it displays the 'racial type' rather than the base type.

i.e as well as stating 'Claw' it should also be able to display 'Interceptor' , and even 'Minmatar' to those that want to see this.

Perhaps rather than the text 'Minmatar' one column could apear in the racial color.
Laken Starr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1684 - 2011-12-25 09:08:46 UTC
Arcathra wrote:
Of course EVE Online is a game about spaceships. But reading the chronicles it is apparent that the life on board of a station or a planet has also a lot of impact to the universe. Be it impact on a more personal level or even a broader one. No one wants to get rid of the spaceships and I think not many people want a WiS that is completely unrelated to flying spaceships.


I think it's a gross simplification to say that Eve is a game about spaceships. While they're certainly a huge part of the game, it ignores the fact that there is an entire universe with many different facets. Economics, politics, leadership, intelligence gathering, logistics...there's quite a bit beyond just spaceships and explosions.

Most of the people in favour of more WiS content don't seem to think they should drop all the FiS work to focus on it; little additions to it every patch would be sufficient.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1685 - 2011-12-25 09:19:58 UTC
Laken Starr wrote:
Arcathra wrote:
Of course EVE Online is a game about spaceships. But reading the chronicles it is apparent that the life on board of a station or a planet has also a lot of impact to the universe. Be it impact on a more personal level or even a broader one. No one wants to get rid of the spaceships and I think not many people want a WiS that is completely unrelated to flying spaceships.


I think it's a gross simplification to say that Eve is a game about spaceships. While they're certainly a huge part of the game, it ignores the fact that there is an entire universe with many different facets. Economics, politics, leadership, intelligence gathering, logistics...there's quite a bit beyond just spaceships and explosions.

Most of the people in favour of more WiS content don't seem to think they should drop all the FiS work to focus on it; little additions to it every patch would be sufficient.


Right, we don,t want FIS neglected anymore like in the past,but putting WIS on ice is a shame.
We want WIS to stay optional ,so the shipspinners can go on to push their ships around
we want WIS to have some resources to it ,but FIS must be the focus right now.
And if WIS stays optional WIShaters don,t have to bother.
and what WIShaters seem to forget that DUSTbeta is coming.
Don,t hear them complain about recourses that a beta will need.
The moment this beta goes live ,all recourses go on bughunting that consolecrap

R.S.I2014
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#1686 - 2011-12-25 09:38:23 UTC
CCP, stop your shameless cowardice!! Answer our call for clarification and justification for your WiS plans.

Right now you look like reactionary cowards that are in the pocket of a pro 0.0 FiS only CSM.

Respond with your vision and plans and make this thread go away!

Issler
Taiwanistan
#1687 - 2011-12-25 11:10:06 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP, stop your shameless cowardice!! Answer our call for clarification and justification for your WiS plans.

Right now you look like reactionary cowards that are in the pocket of a pro 0.0 FiS only CSM.

Respond with your vision and plans and make this thread go away!

Issler

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1688 - 2011-12-25 11:42:13 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP, stop your shameless cowardice!! Answer our call for clarification and justification for your WiS plans.

Right now you look like reactionary cowards that are in the pocket of a pro 0.0 FiS only CSM.

Respond with your vision and plans and make this thread go away!

Issler


I am cutting them some slack because of Unifex's post and being the holiday season... but not much.
Devil's Call
Social safety
#1689 - 2011-12-25 14:13:26 UTC
Some time ago they showed avatars walking around in a station, there was exotic dancers and stuff, and you could play some sort of RTS mini game on a table vs other players. I wonder what happened to all that? Did you (CCP) just delete that? Or is it shelved, or what?

Just wondering.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1690 - 2011-12-25 14:16:12 UTC
If CCP does answer this thread by stating that they have no plans at this time but may return to WIS at some future date, would that reply cause people to quit the game, shrug it off and continue, or rejoice that similar to past practices, that answer would be translated into "dead and buried"?

Honestly, CCP has learned from the past - any answer they offer would be used by players as concrete proof that they MUST follow through with in a near future date. Player's interpretations of comments get twisted into their view of agreement. CCP could state, "At this time, WIS is not a part of our plans, but we may revisit it around 2014." and there will be players adamant that CCP will have a full-blown expansion just of WIS by that date because they said so.

I could be wrong, but did CCP actually state they are making Eve as a full-blown space simulation game or they would like to eventually move the game in that direction? Over five and a half years into this game, a majority of the expansions have been related to FIS so if an overall space simulation, then CCP is very, very, very far behind. Before Incarna, the planetary interaction expansion's video begged the question whether we pilots were going to be benevolent or tyrant rulers. Unless I am missing something, I have seen no signs that planet mining has had any effects on a non-descriptive populace. I have seen no signs that I need to drink, to eat, to sleep - hell, even hit the bathroom every now and then. But then wouldn't these aspects be part of a full-blown space simulation game, as monotonous as they are in real life?

Again, just because CCP released a video at a fanfest or for public consumption should not be interpreted that CCP will follow that directional path right now, right later, or right never. Or Oveur still owes us players the building aspect of creating pocket dead space dungeons for other players to raid and get destroyed by since he mentioned it long ago on some old video from an even early fanfest.

As stated in this thread earlier, I would like to see a functional WIS. But if such an expansion does not ever arrive, I will not be deterred by what originally drew me to Eve - the space aspects.

Thanks for reading.
Podcorn
Doomheim
#1691 - 2011-12-25 14:59:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Podcorn
I have a feeling that they're waiting for page 100 to respond.

Edit: Also, everyone should report that fake dev post on page 2 or whatever as spam, they're keeping it there only to make it look as though they are communicating which they aren't.

*runs off to tell on the community management team for not doing their job*
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1692 - 2011-12-25 15:45:18 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Arcathra wrote:
So I have a question for you. Where is your evidence that this thread has only two or three "space barbie fetishists" and their alts"? Where is your eveidence? There is no way you can know the alts of all people who are posting here. And to beginn with, not all of the supporters are even "space barbie fetishists".

I've been involved with the thread since the beginning. If you read all of it you'll see a pattern where there a couple of people crying about not having enough dresses and then a rotating stable of characters in newbie corps who write *exactly* the same way as the first set of WiS whiners.

And yes, if somebody is upset that CCP saved their game by putting roleplaying microtransaction nonsense on the backburner and are demanding an answer to when CCP will reverse that deserves to be labeled as a space barbie fetishist.


And it is so, because you said so.. You know the world really shouldn't work that way, unfortunately it works exactly like that.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#1693 - 2011-12-25 16:03:48 UTC
Guttripper wrote:

I could be wrong, but did CCP actually state they are making Eve as a full-blown space simulation game or they would like to eventually move the game in that direction? Over five and a half years into this game, a majority of the expansions have been related to FIS so if an overall space simulation, then CCP is very, very, very far behind. Before Incarna, the planetary interaction expansion's video begged the question whether we pilots were going to be benevolent or tyrant rulers. Unless I am missing something, I have seen no signs that planet mining has had any effects on a non-descriptive populace. I have seen no signs that I need to drink, to eat, to sleep - hell, even hit the bathroom every now and then. But then wouldn't these aspects be part of a full-blown space simulation game, as monotonous as they are in real life?


They *want* to, and they're taking the first steps in that direction. There have been a number of things in the way, off the top of my head:
1. Ambulation / WiS in general -- even with MODERN gaming rigs, the CQ was melting things down with ONE toon in ONE prison cell. It's gotten better over the last few months (I can turn it on now without getting the "OMFG, ****'s melting!" alarms ... granted with only low/mid settings)

2. Microsoft -- dumbass company wouldn't let CCP run DUST on TQ (and other nonsense), which forced said game to become PS3 exclusive.

3. Technology in general (see: melted gfx cards on Incarna release, etc).

4. Sony -- people have their knickers in a twist that DUST is a PS3 exclusive ... also, Sony is just evil (now, if they get one of those Kevin Butler commercials for DUST ... well, maybe ever so slightly less evil).


So, as of right now today, CCP has gotten past some of the hurdles, and caused a few new ones (biggest one being the rollout of WiS/Incarna pissed off a lot of people). We're seeing the first real fruits of their labour over DUST (beta! yay! now, i just need a code ... pretty please, CCP?).

WiS will be/has been backburnered for a while, until they fix some of the FiS stuff that's been neglected. I imagine that some things will be thrown in with the expansion in 5-6 months ... but it's going to be low key -- on the lines of " we have all this ~awesome~ FiS stuff that has been fixed, and V3'd, and balanced ... and oh yeah, we sorted WiS a bit, so you can have corp offices with up to 50 people inside at once".

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1694 - 2011-12-25 16:19:02 UTC
When I came back I was hugely disappointed with Captain's Quarters, but I still have high hopes for WiS in general.

As the point of interaction between EvE and DUST players, WiS is very promising. A lot of non-FiS stuff (gambling, customizable quarters, etc) could be built out of that once the core is in place.

Also some microtransaction-based customization options are OK, but a lot of it should be loot-based as well.

KB Link
Devil's Call
Social safety
#1695 - 2011-12-25 16:23:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Devil's Call
This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...?
If so, they might as well remove the captains quarters and the NeX store and stuff. But I don't think that CCP will stop working on WiS, if anything, they're working harder on getting it into the game because those Captains Quarters alone are kind of a joke. ;-)
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1696 - 2011-12-25 16:27:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Devil's Call wrote:
This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...?


Well you know how it is. Nothing is finite. Saying they will not do this at any given time is development suicide. And if the time comes PR suicide too.

In other words.. Most of the people waits for "definitive maybe".
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#1697 - 2011-12-26 09:11:07 UTC
CCP!!!

How many pages does it take???!!!

Issler
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1698 - 2011-12-26 09:11:30 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Devil's Call wrote:
This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...?


Well you know how it is. Nothing is finite. Saying they will not do this at any given time is development suicide. And if the time comes PR suicide too.

In other words.. Most of the people waits for "definitive maybe".





silence is a bad PR too

R.S.I2014
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1699 - 2011-12-26 11:04:05 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP!!!

How many pages does it take???!!!

Issler

This is what you want Eve to become?.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1700 - 2011-12-26 11:04:58 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Devil's Call wrote:
This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...?


Well you know how it is. Nothing is finite. Saying they will not do this at any given time is development suicide. And if the time comes PR suicide too.

In other words.. Most of the people waits for "definitive maybe".





silence is a bad PR too

They haven't been silent. CCP has answered the question but some people didn't like the answer.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.