Crime & Punishment

The problem with this attitude is that it's simply saying "if your corp wants to do anything other than PvP, it can't". No amount of defense in the world allows you to run non-PvP operations while being wardecced by groups who focus purely on PvP who are multiple times your size. You have no problems because all you want is PvP. That doesn't work for corps who want things outside of that. There's a reason there are no large scale highsec corporations with a non-PvP focus that don't operate almost entirely through NPC alts.

Do you think it's OK for large non PVP organisations to exist and be allowed to farm isk 24/7 freely and without consequence?
Also, do you think this situation would be good for the game and it's economy?

edit: I know you are looking at this from a nullbear point of view; They have everything to win with immune NPC alts for their freighting needs, they are the biggest supporters of a wardec free universe, god forbid they have to defend their entire logistics chain. That sounds like effort

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Citation needed. I've seen this claim multiple times and not one person has been able to show where CCP stated that this was an exploit. I've never known it to be an exploit and I know that it wasn't an exploit in 2007, 2009 or 2011 and it's not an exploit now or in the past couple of years, so I'm not sure when or where this was ever said.

In the vast majority of cases a corporation would lose far more than simply evading the wardec, with the added bonus of wardec evasion being a good indicator to the wardeccing corp that you have no issues evading, making them less likely to dec you again. I certainly don't think any of the main wardec corps are going to care even remotely about a dozen blackbirds. At the end of the day, the problem is that the current mechanics promote mass farming of easy wardec targets rather than challenging content, and so the targets of wardecs invariably have very little to resist with.

The current meta of very large, very powerful dedicated PVP entities declaring war on large numbers of other entities and those other entities having no war-fighting capability of their own is a product of the changes to the war system.

Carebears begged and pleaded with CCP to have wars be like this. And they continue to beg and plead for CCP to make it worse.

Here you go buddy:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249

The rabbit hole goes deeper if you ask Google. Plenty of dev posts on the old EVE forums.

Now you can tell me how "this isn't proof of anything," et cetera. I'm familiar with your runaround.


- If they lose too much by defending, then it's obvious that their operations are too bloated. Any amount of wealth has to have a corresponding, proportional amount of protection. If folding up is the most economical option, then that's just fine. But I don't think it's fine for a corporation to strip-mine all the belts and hog all the moons and then claim that it's too easy for it to be attacked.

- The main wardec corps aren't going to care about a dozen Blackbirds because they never leave the main hubs. Other wadec corps will care, because a dozen Blackbirds is a massive nuisance. It's a fact that most hunter-type wardec corporations are smaller than the targets they go after. Jamming every single enemy in such a scenario is entirely plausible.

I don't even know why you ask these people these things. They'll give you the same "I want what's best for the game" spiel every single time, without actually putting out a concrete viewpoint on the matter.

But I can tell you that I've infiltrated a significant number of carebear corporations, posed these questions to them while passing myself off as one of the chums, and got exactly the kind of answer you'd expect.

Hi Danelee,

Actually the main issue is to have something to fight over, which is what I suggested in my first post in this thread, I think the new structures as proposed will change this so people have something useful to fight over. You guys should be very excited over that, think that through, because its exciting to me. The whole argument about people dropping corps and evading is irrelevent, because those that have skin in the game will have to defend it, perhaps then your scatter gun approach is no longer needed and then you will stop whining about it. The only issue you will have is that the people who don't want to and can't fight will be able to have no skin in the game and will re-create their corp, so what.

I reject your premise, there are always consequences in Eve and rightly so, and in any case if there was no war decs people would still gank and that is something that has a whole sub culture around it, epic fights around a bumped freighter.

Mean, well actually incorrect, first check out my killboard, I do have one you know, SISI is not playing against other people, its wiped out, its meaningless. My fun in this game is to play regardless of people trying to stop me, yesterday in spite of a war dec from you I went and helped save a freighter from the Goons, we won, I was waiting for one of your chaps to come along and I would have gone for him, but no show.

I am still in corp, still moving around in hisec and neither your alliance or Foresaken have killed me, gold star when you do...

I'll play :)

In reverse order

It not possible to farm with no risk (suicide gankers, LP crashes, market crashes, ship loss to name a few things present in high sec) - but risk can be thoroughly mitigated to a point, as is true in all areas of space.

Wardec alternate depends. The reason for this is....

PvP does not start and end at the barrel of a gun.


So my question to the floor is - what are you wardeccing FOR? For example, is it to inflict ship loss? Ganking is inarguably going to be more effective in that instance.

Wardecs are a solution to certain set of problems - maybe you want to bash a pos, or disrupt indy corps by making them tear down and wait a week to start up, maybe something else.

They are not, however, the solution to all problems.

So what is the problem you're trying to solve, is a wardec the best option or are there other, more effective methods of PvP available to you to solve that problem?


tl;dr: Are people picking the right tool for the job, or does everything look like a nail as you have a hammer?

Well if you know how legendary I am, then you should also know that I do this for the entertainment (drama), and to see whether or not I can turn a particular corporation around by steering it towards a modicum of efficiency. The fact that you feel the need to bring your killboard into this shows just how insecure you feel about your place in this entire debate.

But you know what? I'm not going to go down this path. Instead, I will tell you that you're right; I do find it a lot of fun taking candy from babies. Now you need tell me why I shouldn't be able to do this in the game called EVE Online.


This is a good question. My answer: to extract a ransom/maintain a protection racket, or as part of a mercenary contract in which someone else hired me to conduct a war for any reason (I don't ask).