EVE General Discussion

This is a question regarding the cross-over from scamming to breaking the rule on impersonation.

Ok,

Now impersonation is making yourself out to be someone else, however the old scam "give me x, and ill return x * 3" has been going ... well since the start :)

But this got me to thinking that over the last 12 months the increase of the bots that say something like "Quazal Atreides sent 100m return 500m" etc...

Curious how this is not using my name to fool others, Should this not fall under the impersonation or false representation of another player.

I have no problems (and in my early days may have even) scammed a small bit, but when the bots are filing local with tripe like that it got me wondering about how impersonation / false representation lines up

Now there are lies, lies and damn lies, but when someone is using my name to help them scam a player from cash that must surely be close if not cross the line?


and nope before the trolls i have not been scammed etc, and am merely wondering what the line is between the scam and eula
"falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player"

is taken from eula are these scammers not saying that i am part of their scheme? For instance should a scammer use the veldmasters "chribba" name for example a new player might see it and think , oh chribba has done it so it must be cosha?

Exactly. More specifically, please feel free to submit a Support Ticket under the Rules & Policies > Chat Channel Spam category.

No, saying someone did something is not the same thing as claiming to be that person.

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.

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OP, The Mittani told me to tell you that what you're describing is called lying and not impersonation.

Chribba once doubled my isk too, and he liked it!

CCP has periodically cleared them out of at least the main trade hubs. Even between purges its much quieter than it use to be.

Really the best way to get rid of them is the same as with spam. Filters.

What won't happen is people getting smart enough to not fall for scams. I mean i just check my spam folder, in the last week i am still getting Nigerian money scams for 20 years now. And we hear about suckers falling for it every time.

I believe the major hubs are where their should be some involvement. The post starter has made a valid point, you can not block people spamming for isk (does that not mean you can report them for being isk spammers?) because if you do, you can not recognise someone just pulled your name to con some gullible new player. Should this not count as some sort of risk to CCP as well. If someone has been abused and they just think CCP just allow this type of behaviour because it's that type of game then what is keeping them around? Surely this caused a loss in profits.

I believe counter measures should be used, do not let CCP look like a bunch of trolls who are happy to see your positive mood obliterated.

Aren't there only something like 6 major stations?

It shouldn't be too hard to implement a server side program which keeps track of the chat log in the main trade hubs where the spam occurs. If someone repeats the same message over a given period of time x times it is considered as spam and the person who did this is banned for 1 day in the first case, then 1 week for the second one and then forever.

It would be a nice ban hammer to all of these guys which run bots to announce
1) double isk (check my BIO, totally legit)
2) advertise a fully fit Orca for 699 mio
3) broadcast market errors ("If I would have the isk, please share with me...")
and so on.

Currently you have to close local in case you travel through any major trade hub. Otherwise you become mad at some point because no one is really talking any longer or you can't follow any discussion because of those bots. And yes, they must be bots, no one keeps typing in the same message over and over again for hours, days, weeks.

Just make the whole banning automatic without waiting for feedback from players and sooner than later the spammers will give up.

Also keep in mind that the "bots" could just be that someone typed their message in the notepad, did i copy paste, and then drag and drop the links into place. Doesn't take much effort.

It's not impersonation its Misrepentation. Impersonate is more on the I'm not just dradis I'm. Cribba's alt.i have to claim to be a person. Misrepentation is when I claim that such and such is fact or action is true when it's not. Such as I have a one of the nxys that killed Steve the Titan and its painted with giant bees on it