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How to manage a high-sec mining alt fleet

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Particulate Pkunk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-04-20 18:14:04 UTC
Anyone have any tips on managing a high-sec mining fleet consisting of only my alts? It would approximately consist of an Orca and 3 - 4 mining barges. I have three monitors.

Thanks much in advance.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2015-04-20 21:14:59 UTC
questions: mining ice or ore, and if ore are you mining null anoms or regular belts (regardless of sec status). What kind of barges are you using?

Aside from those, I suggest Setting up the window sizes for each client so you can always see the ore hold for each ship, and the HUD would nice as well. Just have hold next to fleet hangar window so you can simply click and drag into hangar with speed.

Unless you are using hulks, you might be able to use the scanner from the orca to figure out which asteroids are depleting,but that isnt totally necessary and kind of boring.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#3 - 2015-04-21 05:29:31 UTC
I have orca + 2 exhumers, 2 screens. 1 screen is for orca + 1 miner, 2nd screen is for 2nd miner. I keep mining clients windows visible most of the time, switching to orca client when I see MTU is getting crowded with cans.

Orca drops MTU and scoops tractored ore that miners jettinson when their ore hold gets full.
Each miner has scanner so they can monitor their rocks depletion and target new rocks when needed.
When orca gets full it warps to station to drop ore and gets back to MTU.
Yes, there's a drop in yield when orca is away from belt but I don't care. What I care about is that I can manage this setup without going crazy.

Each ship has full flight of small drones out, orca guards miner1, miner 1 guards miner2, miner2 guards orca => whatever rats decide to target drones will deal with it. I live in hisec so belt rats are no threat to any of my ships anyway but I like to keep overview clean.

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Whalt Thisney
StellarTech Industries
#4 - 2015-04-21 06:27:35 UTC
Also check the 2014 posts of New Eden Mining blog.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2015-04-21 07:21:26 UTC
Step 1: Post in a forum that CODE. members regularly read that you want to run a multibox mining fleet in our space. Get watchlisted.
Step 2: Buy an Orca, undock.
Step 3: Return to your home station disappointed with the results of your experiment, but with some insurance money and a lesson.
Step 4: Buy a replacement Orca, this time from one of our sell orders.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#6 - 2015-04-21 14:06:37 UTC
- For ease of use, change one of the mining barges to a freighter. That way you can sit in the belt without hauling.

- Flag CODE. and known gankers in your standings list

- Store a couple of skiffs/procurers in your Orca so you can swap ships between yield and tank based on local threats.

- Use a shield harmonizing module in your orca + train the leadership skills to boost your barges tank.

- Implants can boost your tank or yield for your miners.

- For ore, make bookmarks around the belts for warp in points

- Be careful with leaving an MTU out when not needed.

- Have one of your barges be a tanked Skiff. The drones bonus is nice & the speed allows him to position as the warp in for the rest of the fleet.
Null Infinity
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-04-21 14:24:23 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Step 1: Post in a forum that CODE. members regularly read that you want to run a multibox mining fleet in our space. Get watchlisted.


-1

Usuall arogant 'bla-bla I kill you" from almost space herous.

I have never saw a single CODE catalyst in Finaka or Argeir belts, for example. So just keep away from hot spots and you can run you Orca business in relative peace.

New mining menthods: interactive mining and comet mining

Particulate Pkunk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-04-21 16:29:16 UTC
Rowells wrote:
questions: mining ice or ore, and if ore are you mining null anoms or regular belts (regardless of sec status). What kind of barges are you using?

Thanks for the advice! I am talking high-sec regular ore belts. I have not decided which barge to settle on, but am temporarily using hulks.

Schmata Bastanold wrote:
I have orca + 2 exhumers, 2 screens. 1 screen is for orca + 1 miner, 2nd screen is for 2nd miner. I keep mining clients windows visible most of the time, switching to orca client when I see MTU is getting crowded with cans.

Orca drops MTU and scoops tractored ore that miners jettinson when their ore hold gets full.
Each miner has scanner so they can monitor their rocks depletion and target new rocks when needed.
When orca gets full it warps to station to drop ore and gets back to MTU.
Yes, there's a drop in yield when orca is away from belt but I don't care. What I care about is that I can manage this setup without going crazy.

Each ship has full flight of small drones out, orca guards miner1, miner 1 guards miner2, miner2 guards orca => whatever rats decide to target drones will deal with it. I live in hisec so belt rats are no threat to any of my ships anyway but I like to keep overview clean.

Awesome, I never thought of using MTU's for mining. Thanks for all the tips.

Whalt Thisney wrote:
Also check the 2014 posts of New Eden Mining blog.

Cool - reading it now.

Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Step 1: Post in a forum that CODE. members regularly read that you want to run a multibox mining fleet in our space. Get watchlisted.
Step 2: Buy an Orca, undock.
Step 3: Return to your home station disappointed with the results of your experiment, but with some insurance money and a lesson.
Step 4: Buy a replacement Orca, this time from one of our sell orders.

Good luck. I made this char 10 minutes before making this post and will delete it as soon as I need the slot for something else.

Shiloh Templeton wrote:
- For ease of use, change one of the mining barges to a freighter. That way you can sit in the belt without hauling.

- Flag CODE. and known gankers in your standings list

- Store a couple of skiffs/procurers in your Orca so you can swap ships between yield and tank based on local threats.

- Use a shield harmonizing module in your orca + train the leadership skills to boost your barges tank.

- Implants can boost your tank or yield for your miners.

- For ore, make bookmarks around the belts for warp in points

- Be careful with leaving an MTU out when not needed.

- Have one of your barges be a tanked Skiff. The drones bonus is nice & the speed allows him to position as the warp in for the rest of the fleet.

All good advice. Thank you. Except why be careful leaving an MTU out when not needed?
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#9 - 2015-04-22 08:11:26 UTC
highsec island + ice is all you need to know.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#10 - 2015-04-22 11:37:22 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
highsec island + ice is all you need to know.


Not even close. Aderkan is much safer than Endrulf, for example. It is not about being an island, it is about how far it is from trade hubs. And ice systems are more populated + being an island means pirats do not need to go far.

Solitude region is a miner paradize, but you will hardly be able to make any reasonable ISK out of it. Use Dotlan map and killboard to find your equilibrium.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#11 - 2015-04-22 13:37:58 UTC
If you want to have hisec belts all to yourself or share them with really really small competition just look for systems without stations. You wouldn't believe how many people sacrifice clean d-scan, overview and local just because they are too lazy to make 1 gate jump.

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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#12 - 2015-04-22 14:50:35 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
If you want to have hisec belts all to yourself or share them with really really small competition just look for systems without stations.


True, but Sileperer, for example, has 20 belts and was ganked only once in this entire year. It does have station and is only 7 jumps from the Jita.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#13 - 2015-04-22 16:00:06 UTC
It's like with house/car alarm: you have it not because it can protect your property from all perps but as a deterrent against those less determined :)

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2015-04-22 20:02:15 UTC
I personally use skiffs for their survivability (granted I mine null), but if you do settle on hulks, keep in mind the extra work load managing different strips miners and the smaller cargo hold. If you find this to not be a problem, then your next consideration is survivability. You'll need to determine how risky it is to sacrifice the tank vs how hostile you expect the space to be. If both of those concerns are resolved, hulks will definitely outshine the other classes in yield.

Now, i can't be sure on this, but I think there is a method to use freighter cans as a way to decrease hauling frequency. I'm not sure on the specifics and I imagine it to be a tad risky at times. So, again, if it works out properly, it can be a large gain in efficiency.

As others have mentioned, be sure to network with other miners and keeping Intel handy so you can easily tell when the climate gets more risky. This will be your most important aspect in keeping your fleet losses low.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#15 - 2015-04-22 22:33:36 UTC
Particulate Pkunk wrote:
why be careful leaving an MTU out when not needed?

Some PvP pilots will pop one on principle even if they're not in CODE. If you use one, just scoop it if it attracts unwanted attention.

In an ice belt, park the barges next to the Orca and do a cargo transfer so an MTU is not needed.

In an ore belt, you can have the barges jettison the ore and then periodically drop an MTU from an Orca or Freighter to scoop it up.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-04-23 06:54:28 UTC
confirming this. whenever I see a lonely MTU just sitting out there being ignored I just can't help but do my best to put it out of it's misery.

Stimulating the market and stuff.

That and I am usually drunk and/or bored.

Jetcanning has other funspects to it as well, a plucky venture pilot can swipe ice faster than it's mined if they're dedicated to it.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.