Player Features and Ideas Discussion

well I have to say the main reason not to have a second release of the game is simply that it doesn't follow the levelling and progression system that most games out there do. As many people pointed out, people not only have big stakes in the game, but they continue to progress their characters and change everything about their experience in the game.

Guild wars 2 was mentioned as an example. While Arena Net made an absolutely fantastic game that was released properly, is very well made and a proper successor to the original guild wars, it is still a levelled game and it caps at 80. Eve is a non-levelled experience system that has virtually *nothing* to do with the original fantasy D&D progression type system that a lot of these games possess.

I'm sure that a number of folks reading this thread have characters over a decade old. I'm also sure that most of them don't see themselves as having had reached some level cap (especially with the removal of clone grades), and even players a year old with good training and good ship builds can take out a lot of these folks solo on a good day. That by itself is one of the most amazing things about this game, and the biggest advantage it has over any of its competitors. That there is true, intrinsic value to you even if you're a 'newer' player, and the only grind there is in the game is to make money.

As for the beef you have about travel times, a very simple solution would be to fix autopilot to land at 0 of the gate. You'd still suffer if you got pinned down in lowsec or by a wt in hisec (god help you if you think autopiloting in null is a good idea). Automating that task in a realistic way would solve any consternation you hold with it.

You do realize those other titiles have different development staff - right? Right?

Also, boohoo, CCP used the money you paid them to try and make more money, while diverisfying their income streams so they aren't beholden to entitled numpties like you.

Holy ****, it's like they're a business or something. Whoda thunk it?

Also would like to again address grid systems in EvE.

AFAIK based on previous developer posts the grid system can't really be changed without a major rewrite. Its really a nightmare and not at all like any game we have today.


The all of nothing aspect of grids is what kills fleet fights.

My system that I would propose to be implemented in an EvE II if I was a designer would be based on heuristic algorithm. The server (note the name server) would serve data to clients based on its interpretation of what would benefit the client its sending to while removing data that it interprets as unimportant.

That would be supplemented by command ships that could highlight and broadcast important information via links to its fleet. So a commander in a command fleet could highlight a ship, ships, or an entire fleet and make that ship, ships or fleet visible to his fleet so that those ships could interacted with without needing to load the entire grid of ships all at once into every client on the grid every 1 second.

I don't think that such serving of important information in bits is possible in the current EvE. The server simply stuffs you with information on loading grid which is why you're invariably lagged to hell when a fleet jumps in or you jump into a fleet fight.

Of course the main thing that I'm pointing out here is not the ideas but the concept of an system created based on learning from EvE I, from scratch to alleviate the problems of EvE I.

I absolutely would not. I love the fact that EVE runs on just about anything.




I'll say so outright. Yes, it's a dumb idea to suddenly massively increase the system specifications of your game, and it drives away customers.




I don't want EVE to have their own Star Wars Galaxies moment, how about that? And it very much looks to me as though that's what you people are asking for. Since I like this game, I don't want you to kill it.

[edit: And I'm still waiting on that question. What kind of chav lets a pre teen drive a freaking car?

I wouldn't even describe it as driving customers away, it would simply cut off those without the required kit stone dead. That'd be a great way to persuade players to keep playing!

A real life example of how major companies worth billions do things: I've worked with Oracle database for 18 years from version 8i to 12c. Take a wild stab at how many of the major version changes involved a complete rewrite from scratch...

There's a reason why companies don't throw away there entire code base and start from scratch and the previous link describes it very very well.

^^ This.

I've worked some contracts with a few major companies. Most of them are still using Windows XP.

I once asked the lead IT manager at one of these companies why they do not upgrade. He said (almost verbatim),


I swear to god... the guy put a lot of emphasis on that last part. Apparently he has seen things.

My rig is 7 years old, I multibox 3+ characters.

Start a kickstarter for your idea, I'd rather have CCP continuing to support cheapskates like me, because there's a lot more poor people, and they tend to stick with things. You can get your game started by the idle rich dreamers, just look at star citizen.

I'll stick with what CCP gives me for 15$/mo:

An old, decadent, pissed in sandbox game that still attracts and retains new players.

CCP's data does not support your claims. If you are talking FPS twitch gamers then 'maybe'. Most gamers however do not upgrade every two years.

Given its an entirely new game it could work however they wanted it to. Something like how warping can sometimes result in you being very close to another vessel in EvE during warp perhaps.

Say interceptor deploys a module or deployable that detects a warping ship inbound. The module estimates the required warp time to position the intie into a parallel warp. Interceptor targets ship, activates aoe scrambler dropping both ships out of warp. Intie then regular scrams ship and gang warps to intie.

Would interdiction count as aggression?

Will there be a replacement system put in for people to scan cargo given that nobody will drop out of warp near mid-point gates?