EVE General Discussion

+1. I honestly don't know why this self delusion persists.

He is right, there is no new EULA, they just changed what they're enforcing. See the first post in this thread and read it.



As I've mentioned before, they've specifically excluded Mumble and TS3 and it's within their right to. You can't compare their enforcement to other softwares, that's their choice.



How quickly you forget the msg I got from Peligro that I posted and got removed. It was also quoted. VideoFX was specifically named as not allowed.

Yeah, I'm not going to be installing recording software, recording videos and uploading them for you to see just so you can go "oh, you can hit 8 buttons in quick succession". And I realy don;t care whether or not you think it's possible. The fact is that it is. You can use tiled clients as fast as you can use a standard round robin, and most importantly far more efficiently than a regular player with a single screen. and that's what counts, because that's what they are comparing against. CCP are looking at whether or not you are significantly more efficient than the average and banning based on that.

Yes you can. Irrelevant though since they don't have client side detection.

And that's my point. Until someone can prove they can do it, they can just stop saying that it's possible. You even said that you can't do it that fast, and I stand by my statement that nobody can until they prove me wrong with a video. And I'm making it easy by saying 8 clients within a second, because someone doing it with 15+ clients within a second or two is even more obvious.

Just like you provide proof for all your claims. You do realise he is asking someone to back up their claim that they can swap clients just as quick manually as they can with a RoundRobin set up.?

When are you going to provide proof for your claim that CCP are banning people who are obeying the EULA?

You're doing it again Nolak, stop telling people to provide proof when you are unable or unwilling to do so yourself. Its not a very nice characteristic.

Bull. ****.




That bot apologist website is only proof that you're trying to shield yourselves from being rightfully banned.

No, I do not, yourself and others have claimed that you can activate modules across multiple clients just as fast as using Round Robin by just Alt+Tabbing, or using a "Focus on MouseOver" feature. There's also claims like THIS ONE (last para) from Lucas Kell which says that it's impossible to prove that someone is using Round Robin because they can tile windows etc, but it is, because of activations per second, for which I'm also asking for proof of ability to do the same as RR manually.

This is YOUR post

In which you disputed my reply to ShadowandLight HERE (2nd paragraph) who claimed that Alt+Tabbing too fast means you're breaking the EULA, but it can't because you cannot switch clients and activate that quickly. And also challenging Sgt Ocker from several posts of his like THIS ONE where he claims that CCP cannot determine a Round Robin user from someone Alt+Tabbing or manually switching clients too fast. Therefore, I'm asking them, and anyone else who agrees with them, to prove that they can manually be as fast as a Round Robin user. And from the looks of it, nobody can prove their clams.

It's 8 buttons on 3 screens, always visible. No swapping required. They may as well be one client, so yes, you are literally talking about pressing 8 buttons. I can even just swipe my pointer across the windows hammering F1 because focus can be set to hover. And no, I'm not going to sit here recording home videos for you, stop demanding I do, pervert. I don't care that you aren't very good at using PCs and think that it's impossible, I really do not care what you think, and since it's irrelevant there's no need for me to prove anything to you. You want to go off thinking I'm a liar? Go right ahead. I am done discussing this with you.

So you're saying that the majority do, and that the majority have enough screen space to multibox efficiently, and that most people use that space for multiple accounts rapidly performing multibox activities? The thing is, they don't, so no, a "normal" player won't be multiboxing that efficiently, and so manual multiboxers are definitely at risk.

The thing is, I have used both round robin and a manual setup. The manual setup is slightly more efficient possibly just because the round robin setup left screen you couldn't; see while the manual setup shows everything at all times). So if round robin is banned, so is a decent manual setup as the interaction speed with the clients is identical. I'm going from actual first hand experience with both here, while you are guessing based on what seems to be a crippling inability to use a PC.

I was referring to your earlier posts where you made the claims regarding the speed, and where Kinete argued against it afterwards. So the burden of proof is still on you and CCP. Additionally, you're arguing guilty before proven innocent, something which no civilized society uses in court anymore. I wonder how big a proponent of "guilty before proven innocent" you would be if you got caught in a ban wave that was targeting, oh, lets say ISK buyers. And finally, CCP Peligro (I think) himself stated that they do not have a client-side detection method at Fanfest, and you can ask them yourself directly by submitting a ticket.

Check. Mate.