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Which ship do you believe is the most ISK efficient in a large gang
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Saladinae
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2015-04-10 02:21:31 UTC
For the purpose of this thread, the term "large gang" in the title is defined as between 18-25 ships.

My vote: Tier 1 griffon with all four racial jams (best named). Jams out to 75km with projector rigs and still costs less than 1 million ISK and moves at 1.2km/s with tech 1 afterburner. This sub-1million ISK ship can remove several expensive ships from the fight for a long time (with overheated AB this ship is very hard to kill, especially if its 60-90km away. If drones come at you , warp off to nearest planet and warp back.

Winmatar > Everything else
Zsha
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2015-04-10 11:26:41 UTC
IMHO I think the Nomad because it can cloak, act as a good distraction from other vessels and has a large capacitor to self rep when taking damage. Also it being cyno-able by wormhole clicking, gives this ship the best isk/combat engagement track.

Just my 2-cents
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-04-10 12:47:43 UTC
Saladinae wrote:
For the purpose of this thread, the term "large gang" in the title is defined as between 18-25 ships.

My vote: Tier 1 griffon with all four racial jams (best named). Jams out to 75km with projector rigs and still costs less than 1 million ISK and moves at 1.2km/s with tech 1 afterburner. This sub-1million ISK ship can remove several expensive ships from the fight for a long time (with overheated AB this ship is very hard to kill, especially if its 60-90km away. If drones come at you , warp off to nearest planet and warp back.


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Doji Okakura
#4 - 2015-04-10 16:37:34 UTC
Ibis
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-04-10 18:39:24 UTC
Depends on the size of ships you're trying to jam but yeah they really do ruin cruisers and below

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Aluka 7th
#6 - 2015-04-10 18:41:31 UTC
Isk efficient in what way?
Because free noob ship has infinte ISK efficiency.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-04-10 19:13:15 UTC
There's too many factors that go into this.

1. Null or lo-sec? because gang composition and goals are going to differ here.
2. Roam, gate-camp or specific target... because, again, composition is going to differ.
3. Task in the gang? Because a gang of that size will likely have dedicated/assigned tackle, punchers, logi, EWAR, etc... And there are a few choices that would beISK-efficient in all those roles.
4. Is there a doctrine? Because if its just a hodge-podge of whatever shows up, then there literally dozens of efficient choices. If there's a specific philosophy in mind, then the choices are more limited.

For EWAR... I agree, the Griffon is the best bang for the buck - though you claim that you build one at sub-1M ISK would mean almost nothing is T2. A T2 1MN AB is more than a million by itself unless your manufacturing them yourself.

For me, a T1 drone cruiser or brawler frigate ends up being uber-efficient in terms of ISK-invested vs. ROI (in terms of value killed). Both of those ships can be cheaply fit with named/T2 mods for relatively little. But, again, there's a lot of factors that go into answering your question.
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-04-11 18:32:28 UTC
Maulus, it's like a griffon but it's E-war less stupidly designed and more fun, imo, for all pilots involved.

*Note I don't take a 15vs1, where the 1 is jammed so hard it can't lock anyways, to be fun.
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Moist Towelettes.
#9 - 2015-04-16 21:55:46 UTC
Zsha wrote:
IMHO I think the Nomad because it can cloak, act as a good distraction from other vessels and has a large capacitor to self rep when taking damage. Also it being cyno-able by wormhole clicking, gives this ship the best isk/combat engagement track.

Just my 2-cents


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As for my thoughts of the most cost efficient ship? T3 Link ships.. hands down.. Interdiction Nullified and align in less than 5 seconds and can cloak and boost your fleet to insane heights and let you take on a lot bigger groups than you.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#10 - 2015-04-17 15:09:23 UTC
Doji Okakura wrote:
Ibis


You just can't beat free, BUT the velator can drop 2 small T2 drones, which w/ skills out damages all other rookie ships by a mile.

Velator!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2015-04-18 06:35:47 UTC
Depends on the pilot.

One of my megathrons worked out as around 500k isk a day (she lived for 285 days)
Elenahina
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#12 - 2015-04-20 13:14:03 UTC
In gangs of 8-10, I'll put my money on the Tristan.

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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2015-04-20 13:56:03 UTC
Aluka 7th wrote:
Isk efficient in what way?
Because free noob ship has infinte ISK efficiency.


It's even crazyer than that since you also get a free trit unit. You didn't "pay nothing" for it but recieved something for the effort of taking it.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#14 - 2015-04-20 15:33:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Depends on the pilot.

One of my megathrons worked out as around 500k isk a day (she lived for 285 days)


I'm with Baltec on this.
A ship that consistently survives is the most isk efficient.
Or a ship with the best insurance settlement vs cost.
Big tank BS are built for this.

ECM and Logi gotta be the worst aren't they?
I know if I'm FC, those are my primary targets.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2015-04-20 15:53:37 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Depends on the pilot.

One of my megathrons worked out as around 500k isk a day (she lived for 285 days)


I'm with Baltec on this.
A ship that consistently survives is the most isk efficient.
Or a ship with the best insurance settlement vs cost.
Big tank BS are built for this.

ECM and Logi gotta be the worst aren't they?
I know if I'm FC, those are my primary targets.


How do you account for all the ships the E-WAR and logi ships effectively save from exploding?
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#16 - 2015-04-21 02:30:14 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Depends on the pilot.

One of my megathrons worked out as around 500k isk a day (she lived for 285 days)


I'm with Baltec on this.
A ship that consistently survives is the most isk efficient.
Or a ship with the best insurance settlement vs cost.
Big tank BS are built for this.

ECM and Logi gotta be the worst aren't they?
I know if I'm FC, those are my primary targets.


How do you account for all the ships the E-WAR and logi ships effectively save from exploding?


Great point.
I was sorta thinking of 'personal' isk efficiency, but OP could be talking about corp efficiency or killboard efficiency.
And to be honest I love flying a Falcon and I have turned a lot of fights with them.
I'd like to think at one point I was very good with one, and got so I rairly lost them.
R3velation
#17 - 2015-04-25 06:24:21 UTC
Vexor or Thrasher.
Natalia Abre-Kai
#18 - 2015-04-26 20:46:39 UTC
Obviously friendship.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#19 - 2015-04-26 21:09:50 UTC
Answer is rail comorant, super cheap and highly effective in a meta fit.

Best ship per isk in game is the celestis though.
Gumpy Bitterhawk
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2015-04-27 17:13:21 UTC
falcon