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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-04-18 13:36:43 UTC
Dangeresque Too wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:

Drifters always drop 2 Antikythera. Circadian Seekers have a chance to drop 1 Anitkythera (about 40%)


So this is in the loot drop in the wreck, not the salvaging of the wreck, correct?

Correct.

Antikythera drops as loot.
And you get ordinary Sleeper salvage in salvaging from the wrecks.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#22 - 2015-04-18 14:21:01 UTC
I expect one day there will be cloaked drifter battleships that can shoot us while cloaked.

We undock, any time and suddenly boom. When we question WTF happened, "working as intended".
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#23 - 2015-04-18 14:28:55 UTC
Also one other thing, does the DD hit for perfect on any target regardless of speed/size?
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-04-18 14:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Dangeresque Too wrote:
Also one other thing, does the DD hit for perfect on any target regardless of speed/size?

Yes. There is no possible way to mitigate the incoming damage from the doomsday.

When the overshield is depleted, all active locks are lost, a 5 point scram with a range of 500km targets your ship, and the Drifter will doomsday you with full damage as long as you are targetable on grid.

In the case of warping before the Drifter can fire its doomsday, the next ship you return in will be doomsdayed.
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#25 - 2015-04-19 16:20:17 UTC
One thing I'm running into, once I kill all the Seekers I found in a system, how quickly do they respawn or is there a way to make them respawn?

And is there a best way to locate the Seekers in a system, like do they have to fly back to their station every so often or some such?
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-04-20 07:52:46 UTC
Dangeresque Too wrote:
One thing I'm running into, once I kill all the Seekers I found in a system, how quickly do they respawn or is there a way to make them respawn?

And is there a best way to locate the Seekers in a system, like do they have to fly back to their station every so often or some such?

Once you've killed about 3 groups of reinforcements, you'll have to wait around an hour for more to spawn.
It's more efficient to find other systems in that time.

Circadian Seekers seem to have a pattern of warping from the Jove Structure to a Stargate; Station; or Customs Office, and then back to the Jove Structure again. Then repeating the pattern.
Can't confirm the pattern, but I'll look into it. It's just what I've passively observed.

In order from arriving in system, I'd warp to the Jove Structure and Unidentified Wormhole (if applicable) first, then to every Stargate in system, next to any stations that the system has, then to the Planet I Customs office; the Planet [highest] Office, and then work your way up the list of Customs Offices.

Following that, warp back to the Jove Structure. If they're not there, they have possibly already died, or you've just been really unlucky and have missed them while they are warping.
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#27 - 2015-04-20 13:14:14 UTC
I've been typically warping to the structure first, usually finding them there. I'm using a maurader right now so not keen on all the warping around to find them, I've just set a string of systems with structures together so its only 2 jumps between structures. If I don't see them on either inbound/outbound gates or at the structure when I come through I move along. I might downsize my ship and start checking around if not at the structure.

3rd reinforcement wave? I've been finding the Seekers in packs of 3-5, with a single wave of 3-5 respectively (making the total encountered usually 8).

Drop rate I've come across so far for the elements from Seekers has been roughly 1/4.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#28 - 2015-04-20 14:19:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
People really are bad at PVE in this game, even though tbh it's mostly a joke. It's funny watching someone lose a capital ship or spending 5 bil on a battleship when the things can be killed by cruiser sized ships (and it doesn't matter how many spawn if none of them can catch you). People are making the same mistakes they make with all new PVe content, trying to use brute force (and brute tank) on things that require finesse lol.

Guy in the video uses a Cerb, I use a Tengu which is actually not quite as good, but that alt can't use a Cerb yet.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#29 - 2015-04-20 14:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Dangeresque Too wrote:


I've seen a few threadnaughts about Seekers and Drifters and Jove, but those are all lore this and theory that, I couldn't find a definitive source of information and facts about them that hasn't been outdated by someone figuring out how to solo them in a Cerb.


Same guy with the Cerb has a video of soloing with a Rattlesnake I think (not idea how much he spent on it though, he did not share his fit. I did replicate his Cerb fit with a Tengu, but with less missile range.

Edit: here it is.. Still, Tengu or Cerb is best.
Luna Arindale
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#30 - 2015-04-20 14:28:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
People really are bad at PVE in this game, even though tbh it's mostly a joke. It's funny watching someone lose a capital ship or spending 5 bil on a battleship when the things can be killed by cruiser sized ships (and it doesn't matter how many spawn if none of them can catch you. People are making the same mistakes they make with all new PVe content, trying to use brute force (and brute tank) on things that require finesse lol.

Guy in the video uses a Cerb, I use a Tengu which is actually not quite as good, but that alt can't use a Cerb yet.


The doomsday hits out to 400km now if I recall. That tactic is no longer valid. I've also seen the drifters escalate to four maximum, and they dropped that on a POS. Along with several wings of circadian seekers. It was quite entertaining the first time it happened.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2015-04-20 14:30:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Luna Arindale wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
People really are bad at PVE in this game, even though tbh it's mostly a joke. It's funny watching someone lose a capital ship or spending 5 bil on a battleship when the things can be killed by cruiser sized ships (and it doesn't matter how many spawn if none of them can catch you. People are making the same mistakes they make with all new PVe content, trying to use brute force (and brute tank) on things that require finesse lol.

Guy in the video uses a Cerb, I use a Tengu which is actually not quite as good, but that alt can't use a Cerb yet.


The doomsday hits out to 400km now if I recall. That tactic is no longer valid. I've also seen the drifters escalate to four maximum, and they dropped that on a POS. Along with several wings of circadian seekers. It was quite entertaining the first time it happened.


I killed one while avoiding another with a Tengu last night near Hek (edit there was another ship on grid so that might have helped). Still works, hell, the Seekers are more of a concern. I'm hording the drops for after summer when they should be worth something.

Edit: and I haven't tried it, but a buddy of mine swears ECM works on the things (or at least did till a few days ago), like they do on Burners. Will experiment this week, if they changed their ECM vulnerabilty perhaps they haven't done it with damps. Or neuts.
Luna Arindale
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#32 - 2015-04-20 14:32:41 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Luna Arindale wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
People really are bad at PVE in this game, even though tbh it's mostly a joke. It's funny watching someone lose a capital ship or spending 5 bil on a battleship when the things can be killed by cruiser sized ships (and it doesn't matter how many spawn if none of them can catch you. People are making the same mistakes they make with all new PVe content, trying to use brute force (and brute tank) on things that require finesse lol.

Guy in the video uses a Cerb, I use a Tengu which is actually not quite as good, but that alt can't use a Cerb yet.


The doomsday hits out to 400km now if I recall. That tactic is no longer valid. I've also seen the drifters escalate to four maximum, and they dropped that on a POS. Along with several wings of circadian seekers. It was quite entertaining the first time it happened.


I killed one while avoiding another with a Tengu last night near Hek. Still works. I'm hording the drops for after summer when they should be worth something.


Odd this article says they should hit out to 400 with the death cannon Blap
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#33 - 2015-04-20 14:35:52 UTC
Luna Arindale wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Luna Arindale wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
People really are bad at PVE in this game, even though tbh it's mostly a joke. It's funny watching someone lose a capital ship or spending 5 bil on a battleship when the things can be killed by cruiser sized ships (and it doesn't matter how many spawn if none of them can catch you. People are making the same mistakes they make with all new PVe content, trying to use brute force (and brute tank) on things that require finesse lol.

Guy in the video uses a Cerb, I use a Tengu which is actually not quite as good, but that alt can't use a Cerb yet.


The doomsday hits out to 400km now if I recall. That tactic is no longer valid. I've also seen the drifters escalate to four maximum, and they dropped that on a POS. Along with several wings of circadian seekers. It was quite entertaining the first time it happened.


I killed one while avoiding another with a Tengu last night near Hek. Still works. I'm hording the drops for after summer when they should be worth something.


Odd this article says they should hit out to 400 with the death cannon Blap


Editited my post, another ship did come on to grid, but I didn't seem him pop so who knows.

More experimenting forth coming.
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#34 - 2015-04-20 15:24:07 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dangeresque Too wrote:
I've seen a few threadnaughts about Seekers and Drifters and Jove, but those are all lore this and theory that, I couldn't find a definitive source of information and facts about them that hasn't been outdated by someone figuring out how to solo them in a Cerb.
Same guy with the Cerb has a video of soloing with a Rattlesnake I think (not idea how much he spent on it though, he did not share his fit. I did replicate his Cerb fit with a Tengu, but with less missile range.

Edit: here it is.. Still, Tengu or Cerb is best.
Yeah, he convo'd me and told me his fit was 5b and he wasn't using implants to help.

There were a lot of haters out there telling him it was fake, so I kindly posted the fit I had done up a while ago but didn't want to use because it is cost prohibitive until you bag 200-300 drifters by yourself before you break even. Though he pulled his video as public so now you can't see it anymore. :(

So at less than 3b you can do this:

[Rattlesnake, max buffer]
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II

Gecko x1
Federation Navy Garde x2
Republic Fleet Berserker x2

But good luck getting your drones to connect on something that is going 3.5km/s. And as long as you are using links, you just overheat the hardeners when you are about to take the DD and presto. Though this fit can't tank any more than normal dps from a single drifter so my guess is he has to run when he gets aggro'd by more than one.

Another thing I have yet to test, is how they handle neutral logi... with neutral logi a snake would be able to solo as many drifters as it wanted to deal with.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#35 - 2015-04-20 15:49:18 UTC
Dangeresque Too wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dangeresque Too wrote:
I've seen a few threadnaughts about Seekers and Drifters and Jove, but those are all lore this and theory that, I couldn't find a definitive source of information and facts about them that hasn't been outdated by someone figuring out how to solo them in a Cerb.
Same guy with the Cerb has a video of soloing with a Rattlesnake I think (not idea how much he spent on it though, he did not share his fit. I did replicate his Cerb fit with a Tengu, but with less missile range.

Edit: here it is.. Still, Tengu or Cerb is best.
Yeah, he convo'd me and told me his fit was 5b and he wasn't using implants to help.

There were a lot of haters out there telling him it was fake, so I kindly posted the fit I had done up a while ago but didn't want to use because it is cost prohibitive until you bag 200-300 drifters by yourself before you break even. Though he pulled his video as public so now you can't see it anymore. :(

So at less than 3b you can do this:

[Rattlesnake, max buffer]
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II

Gecko x1
Federation Navy Garde x2
Republic Fleet Berserker x2

But good luck getting your drones to connect on something that is going 3.5km/s. And as long as you are using links, you just overheat the hardeners when you are about to take the DD and presto. Though this fit can't tank any more than normal dps from a single drifter so my guess is he has to run when he gets aggro'd by more than one.

Another thing I have yet to test, is how they handle neutral logi... with neutral logi a snake would be able to solo as many drifters as it wanted to deal with.


Let me know how it goes with logi, as soon as Im able later today I'm gonna see if non-ecm ewar/CapWar does anything. I'm also wondering is a nicely timed MJD from a BC or BS would help, since Drifters telegraph their punched with that Lux Contor graphic.

As for the loot, it won't stay the same value wise, if drifter become the only source of loot needed to build new things coming after June, the values wills sky rocket, which is why I'm stockpiling antikythrea thingys as much as possible.
Energetic Monk
Wayforward Emergent Technologies
#36 - 2015-04-20 16:10:54 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Kay, just so we're all nice and clear on this, Antikythera (Drifter, Circadian loot) goes for 11.5 mil in Jita right now.
Drifters always drop 2 Antikythera. Circadian Seekers have a chance to drop 1 Anitkythera (about 40%)

It takes about 70 Thermal DPS to kill a Drifter.

For me, I lose 1.5 million per Drifter kill, and theoretically gain 23 million.

I don't kill Drifters for money, but ~21.5 million per kill sounds pretty nice to me.


Reading the bolded back and forth i've somewhat came up with that there's something being told here.

I suspect a frigate being wasted on getting doomsdayed by a Drifter, and then the Drifter is killed by something,
capable of those 70 Thermal DPS before it can? activate the DD once again.
Can't actually test my idea since the launcher is acting up both for TQ and SiSi, and both needs patching,
so the "exe"-path is also a no go.
Riela Tanal
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-04-20 17:58:03 UTC
I take it they also currently still do not pod you after dding your ship?
Energetic Monk
Wayforward Emergent Technologies
#38 - 2015-04-20 19:38:56 UTC
Riela Tanal wrote:
I take it they also currently still do not pod you after dding your ship?

Nope, they do pod, check out their corp "Vigilant Tyrannos" at zkillboard. The last ones was 2 days ago,
one in nullsec not that costly at 10K. the other one in hi-sec at 500M+.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#39 - 2015-04-20 21:08:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Estella Osoka
Energetic Monk wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Kay, just so we're all nice and clear on this, Antikythera (Drifter, Circadian loot) goes for 11.5 mil in Jita right now.
Drifters always drop 2 Antikythera. Circadian Seekers have a chance to drop 1 Anitkythera (about 40%)

It takes about 70 Thermal DPS to kill a Drifter.

For me, I lose 1.5 million per Drifter kill, and theoretically gain 23 million.

I don't kill Drifters for money, but ~21.5 million per kill sounds pretty nice to me.


Reading the bolded back and forth i've somewhat came up with that there's something being told here.

I suspect a frigate being wasted on getting doomsdayed by a Drifter, and then the Drifter is killed by something,
capable of those 70 Thermal DPS before it can? activate the DD once again.
Can't actually test my idea since the launcher is acting up both for TQ and SiSi, and both needs patching,
so the "exe"-path is also a no go.


That would be my guess. Sacrifice a pawn to kill the king.

Challenge to CODE: Can you gank a Drifter before it ganks you???
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#40 - 2015-04-20 21:30:31 UTC
Just as a heads up, with Seekers... I was repping my brother without doing anything aggressive towards the Seekers, only had my brother locked and repping him so he could use a max dps vigilant to facemelt them.

As a neutral logi I received NO aggro from the Seekers. Not sure how this works with Drifters but Seekers didn't care at all.

And the cruisers warp much faster than the battleships, so it will be a little quicker.