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To POS or not to POS?
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Alicia Dnari
Dnari Mining and Manufacturing
#1 - 2015-04-19 21:06:10 UTC
So. POS for BPO research and copying. One Pro: you can save time on the jobs, and time is money. One Con: Somebody might come along and blow up your POS, and you'd lose your BPOs. So, question: does the time saving outweigh the risk? I'm thinking hisec POS, btw, and I'm guessing yes, it does, particularly for longer jobs. What do others think?

I would probably also use the POS for production, off some of the BPCs I make. The rest of the BPCs I'd sell. At least there I don't have to worry about BPOs.

I would start small, I think. Ammo, small ships, rigs. Not much profit, particularly in ammo and small ships, from what I've read, but you have to start somewhere. So I'm guessing a small tower (Caldari?) and just the labs and production facilities (and possibly them off-lined when not needed. Is that feasible, or is a POS with no defenses likely to last only 3.4 milliseconds Cool even in hisec? If that works, is there a point at which I'd have to look at a larger tower? More production lines, or arrays for larger ships, perhaps?
Jasmine Cheryu
Bearers of Impurism
#2 - 2015-04-19 21:20:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jasmine Cheryu
Alicia Dnari wrote:
So. POS for BPO research and copying. One Pro: you can save time on the jobs, and time is money. One Con: Somebody might come along and blow up your POS, and you'd lose your BPOs. So, question: does the time saving outweigh the risk? I'm thinking hisec POS, btw, and I'm guessing yes, it does, particularly for longer jobs. What do others think?

I would probably also use the POS for production, off some of the BPCs I make. The rest of the BPCs I'd sell. At least there I don't have to worry about BPOs.

I would start small, I think. Ammo, small ships, rigs. Not much profit, particularly in ammo and small ships, from what I've read, but you have to start somewhere. So I'm guessing a small tower (Caldari?) and just the labs and production facilities (and possibly them off-lined when not needed. Is that feasible, or is a POS with no defenses likely to last only 3.4 milliseconds Cool even in hisec? If that works, is there a point at which I'd have to look at a larger tower? More production lines, or arrays for larger ships, perhaps?



To avoid your POS being attacked in highsec -- remember that your corp needs to be at war with someone, and remember that declaration needs 24 hours to clear before any fighting will be permitted without concord intervention.

That being said -- use Dotlans to find a 'backwater' system, with no stations, and base your POS there.. so its say.. 'out of the way'.
Push comes to shove and you do get wardecced, you have 24 hours (more than enough time) to offline everything and move it... only losses you will recieve is the loss of materials (but NOT THE BPO) of any jobs which are currently being performed in the POS


To answer your question -- do it, its worth the risk Smile
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2015-04-20 00:56:43 UTC
With the lower end BPOs I definitely think it's worth it. Cram as much into it and get as much out it as possible then clear out and move somewhere else before someone notices the spike in research indexes in your system.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#4 - 2015-04-20 11:52:10 UTC
Alicia Dnari wrote:

I would start small, I think. Ammo, small ships, rigs. Not much profit, particularly in ammo and small ships


Here. The true reason why it will not be worth ISK for fuel. Even small POS will cost you over 100 milions per month. And you can use any station with research slots for little ISK now. Long ago ther was a big struglle to find the station in high sec, hwee you could start research jobs. But not any more. And since you plan to start small, you will not pay that much for the slots. Literaly thousands of ISK. Not millions, unless you plan to reseach some cruiser BPO to ME level 10. Stayme can be a good example.

If you protect your POS with dampeners and use some place like Enedore no one will look for it and even if some one finds it among 89 moons, he will not care to take hardened shilds down. There are softer targets.

So if you look for the place to build your home - I understand how you feel and it will be worth simply because of warm feeling it will give you. Dotlan map is your friend here. If you plan to run manufacture for ISK - use NPC stations first. Safer and fuel / charters cost will not ruin your profit.

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#5 - 2015-04-20 13:56:15 UTC
To paraphrase the above: To make more isk - no. To experience Eve gameplay - yes.
Alicia Dnari
Dnari Mining and Manufacturing
#6 - 2015-04-20 21:17:05 UTC
Good thoughts all. Thanks. I may do it just for the experience.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#7 - 2015-04-21 04:44:13 UTC
Just be aware that some people like to blow up POSes, and they watch these forums closely for targets...

Just kidding. Noone enjoys blowing up POSes, it's horribly boring.

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Sturmwolke
#8 - 2015-04-22 12:07:56 UTC
Don't bother putting up defenses for small POS. It can't be defended effectively, much simpler and easier to just uproot and move. Plenty of moons out there.
With that in mind, do not commit costly jobs (especially ship productions) that takes longer than 1 week to minimize risk exposure.
Always bear in mind, whatever you put the POS can be lost under short notice, ~24-72hrs depending on your strontium timer. Plan accordingly.

If you're running smaller scale (just 2 labs and 1 array), the Amarr small tower might be worth a look.
Cheaper fuel and good supply if you plop it down in Amarr regions.