Ships & Modules

There is no problem.

Giving hull resists is the equivalent of increasing hull amount and hull rep at the same darn time. There are no hull resists because CCP decided it wanted hull to be 1) squishy and 2) hard to repair.

Resists define the relative strength of weapons against different sections of the ship.

If you're armour tanking, definitely train armour resistance skill. Look at what an Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II is. Compare it to an active hardener and it'll become obvious why there's differences and what the pros-and-cons of each are.

What's the problem with it? I don't see anything wrong with 0% resists on hull, noone seriously tanks that anyway except for a DCU. It's only used for baiting your tank being broken if you're active tanked in PvP. Also, for the EM resists, that's a weakness on all shield ships placed by CCP. You can use that to your advantage and hit his EM resists, but less skilled PvP players or those without damage choice won't. The varying amounts of resistances on any one hull just leads to more strategic decisions to be made by the players, overall improving the game. The shield resist skills are semi-usefull, but for sure train the armor ones to at least level 4.
Also, this should probably be in F&I

0 base hull resists means you get a choice between having that low slot for damage/speed/cargo/etc or having that extra buffer once you hit structure.

Some ships make damage controls worth it, some ships get on fine without one.

As for 0% em resist, why do shields get base 50% explosive resist? It's a design choice otherwise we might as well put 25% resist on everything and have no meaningful fitting choices ever.

it's meant to be a ship that's easy to fit and performs well for low skilled players and fills that role nicely. If you ever try to field a gnosis against proper pvp capable ships you will find the shortcomings like the one you mentioned become painfully apparent.

- because it forces players to make choices
- it kinda makes sense that an energy based field will be weakest against an energy based form of damage... unless properly reinforced.
- *shrugs*... it was part of the design of the game. Hull is supposed to be the most fragile part of the ship unless properly reinforced.


Yes and no.

Resistance skills only affect "passive modules" (see: modules that you do not have to activate).

And even with perfect skills a "passive module" will never be as strong as an active module (in terms of how much resistance it gives both "cold" and overheated).
However, you have to consider your ship's capacitor and whether it can handle all the cap hungry modules... especially when energy neutralizers might be used against you.

It is all about tradeoffs.


Ultimately... it is because CCP said so. And generally the way things work here... if you want to change things you have offer up a good reason why it should be changed or different.


Hull tanking is still VERY niche for a number of reasons.
It makes you slow... you can't get over 60% resistances in hull... Reinforced Bulkheads are percentage based, not raw HP based like armor plates or shield extenders are... not all ships have the necessary amount of native structure or slots to get viable HP numbers.

Those ships that CAN utilize hull-tanking (usually Gallente ships) are generally pretty ridiculous in the HP department. We do not need to make them stronger.



Because the differences foster some form of diversity in ship fitting... preventing outright homogenization.

One ship may work better with specific hardeners. Other ships work better with omni-resistance membranes/plating/hardeners. Still other ships work better with a combination. And other ships are viable with only a single amplifier and nothing else.

Again... it is all about tradeoffs. What are you willing to sacrifice to give you the best form of protection within a given situation, tactic, and ship?



Bear in mind that change for the sake of change is not always a good idea. Especially when the the system already in place works (for better and worse).

Also bear in mind that your "arbitrary" changes are no different than the "arbitrary" way things are.
Welcome to EVE. Everything is subjective.

lol @ Aerie, he was actually talking about resists skill books not the whole subject.

None that straight out increase base ship resistances. Like I said above, the skillbooks only affect modules.

You right skill books affecting modules which in the end affecting your ship shield and armor resists.

damage control unit gives your structure resists 60% buff down from zero. and it's fine cause non of the other shields or armor single mod would boost that high your resists but that's a good question why does structure has 0 resists.

hull tanking is deff something pro way of pvp'ing.

errm, I don't think you are calculating those right....