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EVE lore: Ecology and the Animals of New Eden
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Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2015-02-17 00:40:15 UTC
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
Zenariae wrote:
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I think Jandice is probably correct in advising to stay away from Caldari Prime to try this project and I'm not comfortable with what I see as differences in the two sources of lore about the same planet. Perhaps some unknown, non-descript planet to begin with?


Not sure how accurate this is, but a visual representation of planet size comparison.


Those are accurate based on the ingame planet information but not typically considered accurate lore-wise as the ingame descriptions seem somewhat random and would create conditions rendering human habitation impossible. You can tell from the image that Caldari Prime and Gallente Prime would have lethally high gravity while Matar and Amarr Prime probably couldn't hold an atmosphere more than a hundredth or a tenth that of Earth. Barring exotic planetary compositions the conditions are going to be sufficiently hostile that nobody is going to survive long enough to make a sandwich let alone a spaceship.

It's a neat picture but the game information it draws upon isn't helpful.


This is a good point. I think the lore team needs someone to just go through all of the temperate planets and rewrite how big they supposedly are to fit more realistic stats.

Also, according to the comments in the deviant art section, it's possible the bigger planets may have more hollow cores? Is that even scientifically possible?

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#42 - 2015-02-18 12:49:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
hollow cores? Is that even scientifically possible?


Scientifically possible is density, not hollow cores, "hollow core" is on the same level as "earth is flat", or that "everything was created yesterday". You don't get asteroids shaped like doughnuts either.

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Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2015-03-02 00:08:51 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
hollow cores? Is that even scientifically possible?


Scientifically possible is density, not hollow cores, "hollow core" is on the same level as "earth is flat", or that "everything was created yesterday". You don't get asteroids shaped like doughnuts either.


Lol ok it may not be scientifically possible. However, if we want to "rationalize" physics (which has already been established on other posts to weep at seeing EVE) in this regard, would it be even feasible to consider having hollow cores, since these planets are obviously being lived on by trillions of people who should be dead from gravity. Aside from the CCP team redoing all the planet sizes, that seems to be the only explanation that seems to make any form of sense if you don't look at it too hard lol

What would you think would explain living on Gallente prime and not dying? lol

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Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-03-28 03:11:57 UTC
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
hollow cores? Is that even scientifically possible?


Scientifically possible is density, not hollow cores, "hollow core" is on the same level as "earth is flat", or that "everything was created yesterday". You don't get asteroids shaped like doughnuts either.


Lol ok it may not be scientifically possible. However, if we want to "rationalize" physics (which has already been established on other posts to weep at seeing EVE) in this regard, would it be even feasible to consider having hollow cores, since these planets are obviously being lived on by trillions of people who should be dead from gravity. Aside from the CCP team redoing all the planet sizes, that seems to be the only explanation that seems to make any form of sense if you don't look at it too hard lol

What would you think would explain living on Gallente prime and not dying? lol



Possible but unlikely, given what we know about the early solar system and how planets tend to form around their stars. IMO the most likely explanation for people able to live normal lives on Gallente Prime and Caldari Prime is a clerical error. A misplaced or extra 0 somewhere in the initial surveys that was simply never corrected.

Incidentally the main reason Mars doesn't have a livable atmosphere (and why its possible other planets such as Amarr Prime or Matar could) is because unlike earth it does not have a molten core to generate a magnetic field around the planet. Solar winds seem to be the primary reason a planet is likely to lose its atmosphere rather than size. Thus if a planet is small but possesses a strong geomagnetic field then solar winds are going to have a much smaller effect on it than it otherwise should.

Similarly, the reason Venus is so hot is because of a runaway greenhouse effect, not because of its proximity to the Sol star. In Fact a planet with similar cloud coverage to Venus should actually be cooler than Earth, despite the close proximity to the sun. Again, so long as it possessed a strong geomagnetic field and was not subject to such a violent greenhouse effect then it is very plausible that a planet like Venus could support life and be colonised.



On the subject of New Eden biology, might I recommend the subreddit /r/SpeculativeEvolution/. It's a great place to find all sorts of weird and alien life forms.
Another interesting read is this article on speculative xenopsychology. I find the example given for a logical being to be particularly interesting to read.
Also, while I agree that dragons are an unlikely thing to find even in xenobiology, do remember that the Quetzalcoatlus is a real creature that really existed in Earth's past. I see no reason what so ever that we couldn't also find similar creatures on alien worlds.
Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2015-04-18 20:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vulxanis Viceroy
Kel hound wrote:
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
hollow cores? Is that even scientifically possible?


Scientifically possible is density, not hollow cores, "hollow core" is on the same level as "earth is flat", or that "everything was created yesterday". You don't get asteroids shaped like doughnuts either.


Lol ok it may not be scientifically possible. However, if we want to "rationalize" physics (which has already been established on other posts to weep at seeing EVE) in this regard, would it be even feasible to consider having hollow cores, since these planets are obviously being lived on by trillions of people who should be dead from gravity. Aside from the CCP team redoing all the planet sizes, that seems to be the only explanation that seems to make any form of sense if you don't look at it too hard lol

What would you think would explain living on Gallente prime and not dying? lol



Possible but unlikely, given what we know about the early solar system and how planets tend to form around their stars. IMO the most likely explanation for people able to live normal lives on Gallente Prime and Caldari Prime is a clerical error. A misplaced or extra 0 somewhere in the initial surveys that was simply never corrected.

Incidentally the main reason Mars doesn't have a livable atmosphere (and why its possible other planets such as Amarr Prime or Matar could) is because unlike earth it does not have a molten core to generate a magnetic field around the planet. Solar winds seem to be the primary reason a planet is likely to lose its atmosphere rather than size. Thus if a planet is small but possesses a strong geomagnetic field then solar winds are going to have a much smaller effect on it than it otherwise should.

Similarly, the reason Venus is so hot is because of a runaway greenhouse effect, not because of its proximity to the Sol star. In Fact a planet with similar cloud coverage to Venus should actually be cooler than Earth, despite the close proximity to the sun. Again, so long as it possessed a strong geomagnetic field and was not subject to such a violent greenhouse effect then it is very plausible that a planet like Venus could support life and be colonised.



On the subject of New Eden biology, might I recommend the subreddit /r/SpeculativeEvolution/. It's a great place to find all sorts of weird and alien life forms.
Another interesting read is this article on speculative xenopsychology. I find the example given for a logical being to be particularly interesting to read.
Also, while I agree that dragons are an unlikely thing to find even in xenobiology, do remember that the Quetzalcoatlus is a real creature that really existed in Earth's past. I see no reason what so ever that we couldn't also find similar creatures on alien worlds.


Well many people don't consider evolution a credible concept for life's origins. So as to avoid getting into a political/religious debate that's all I'm going to say about it xD

But yea this is some really cool information. Thanks for commenting!

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