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[HELP] Programming Language Choice?

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Dredd Ventura
The Autocratic Order
#21 - 2015-04-15 14:23:47 UTC
Let's not make this a flame thread please.

Let's just drop word press.
Okay?

So, moving on.
What should I use the?

Not new to programming but only tried making off line systems like payroll systems and etc.

I tried making website for the insight but didn't continue after I was able to publish my site to the internet using free domains.
Didn't touch database since it wasn't goal.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#22 - 2015-04-15 14:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Sorry mate, but WordPress does not teach you the basics on 'how to do websites', it teaches you on how to use WordPress. It's not good for what he wants to do, and you telling him he should try WordPress makes me cringe, read the opening post. What does he want to make? A web app with pretty specific functions, the only reason he mentioned site is because he is clueless, like yourself about web development.



so why isnt wordpress suitable for this sort of thing?, my work seem to use it for all sorts of systems, just a genuine question not asking to be trolled Cool

also cant really find any negative information online apart from some who say the code is messy.

https://chrisjean.com/wordpress-as-a-web-application-framework/

but hey sorry for bad info

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Dredd Ventura
The Autocratic Order
#23 - 2015-04-15 14:41:49 UTC
Security reasons is one.
And in a business that's not something you want.
Desmont McCallock
#24 - 2015-04-15 20:14:52 UTC
Even for the simplest web app you will need to know:
1. HTML
2. CSS
3. JavaScript
4. Programming language of your choice.
5. Database of your choice.
6. How to setup and configure the hosting server.

For 4 I would recommend PHP.
For 5 I would recommend MySQL.
For 6 I would recommend LAMP or WAMP (depends on what you are familiar with).
dhunpael
#25 - 2015-04-16 09:06:10 UTC
How easy/hard is it to program something everelated in C#?

It's the only language i actually can use (next to php and html, but those require a server).
Steve Ronuken
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#26 - 2015-04-16 12:12:11 UTC
Dredd Ventura wrote:
Security reasons is one.
And in a business that's not something you want.



To fill in a little detail:

Wordpress is a heavily used CMS/Blog Platform. This means it's a huge target for people looking for security vulnerabilities. And once one's found, there are a lot of automated scanners out there which are looking for sites to compromise, so they can do things like use your server to send spam. Nothing targeted at you, just at the herd of people you're in.

You have to keep really on top of patching it, and even that isn't always enough.


Aside from that, it's not good for learning to program. The lessons you learn are how to work with the wordpress api, rather than how to do things in general. learning php teachs you lessons on how to work with wordpress (as well as php). learning wordpress teachs you how to work with wordpress (and a tiny amount of php)

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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
#27 - 2015-04-16 17:05:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Hel O'Ween
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Every language has issues, build the app with a framework like Laravel (PHP) and you'll be golden.


I can't agree with the highlighted part. My personal opinion is that if someone starts to learn programming, s/he should do so without frameworks first*). This will insights in the nasty bits of coding and will help you later, when the framework of your choice behaves "funny", to figure out what/where the problem is.

*) (The .NET frameworks is the odd one here, as the framework is basically the language)

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OnlyFleets.
#28 - 2015-04-16 19:53:06 UTC
Hel O'Ween wrote:

*) (The .NET frameworks is the odd one here, as the framework is basically the language)


Same goes for the apple frameworks with Objective-C/Swift

Withouth frameworks is probably a "better" way to learn php, depends how much you want to put into learning it properly, vs getting the app made before you get bored of the whole thing...
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
#29 - 2015-04-17 19:19:13 UTC
ASP.NET and MS SQL Cool

You can use free version: Visual Studio Express and SQL Server Express
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#30 - 2015-04-17 23:09:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
dhunpael wrote:
How easy/hard is it to program something everelated in C#?

It's the only language i actually can use (next to php and html, but those require a server).

I wrote IPH in vb.net, but I could have done the same with c#. I was just more familiar with vb and it's just a hobby program anyway. I've b en able to do quite a bit in it either through libraries or creating my own stuff.

Mr Mac wrote:
ASP.NET and MS SQL Cool

You can use free version: Visual Studio Express and SQL Server Express

The drawback with the express versions is you can't build an installer without a full version or a third party program. Sqlserver has some publishing restrictions too. I use sqlite and it's great.

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Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
#31 - 2015-04-18 06:05:29 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Mr Mac wrote:
ASP.NET and MS SQL Cool

You can use free version: Visual Studio Express and SQL Server Express

The drawback with the express versions is you can't build an installer without a full version or a third party program. Sqlserver has some publishing restrictions too. I use sqlite and it's great.


Express is enough for beginners Blink
You don't need an installer for Web
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#32 - 2015-04-18 18:52:03 UTC
The only thing I'd express any concern about, with a windows environment, is licensing.

It's somewhat less than clear when you need to license general web users. I've had people tell me that if it's web based, you don't need to, and others saying, that's only /public/ usage. the moment you authenticate with any system, you need either a CAL, or an external connector license.

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