Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, but SMAs have a fixed capacity while docking has traditionally not been space restricted, thus you can dock all of your assets and capitals in one structure and this removes the "count the SMA's" intel you were talking about. I was wondering about that since it's an interesting bit of gameplay and I'd hate to see something like that lost if there's no replacement for it.

My concern with mooring supercaps/titans in a structure is that it would STRONGLY encourage blobbers to just non-stop camp that area. The whole idea of this new sov, I thought, was to avoid having to have 50k coalitions go and grind out smaller guys with 1500 man fleets. Yet, if you had intel on specifically where someones supers/titans were, than what is to stop people from just ignoring the sov in the area and just permanently camp the moored supers/titans? It certainly seems like it would be very difficult for smaller groups living in an area to "adapt" to a CFC-like entity just going straight to their moored caps and just sitting there. The only option would SEEM to be N+1 tactics of having a bigger blob to defend your assets then the blob next door.

Right now, we are kind of doing that to s2n by going only for their high value targets, ie. staging systems and money moons. We know what to hit and where and there isn't a whole lot anyone can do about it. So if I'm s2n in the new EVE, why would I create a high-value target for attackers that they can just launch a blob at in what amounts to an i-win button?

This sort of supercap invulnerabilty is outdated. It made sense when alliances were smaller, operating in only a single TZ, and did not have forces available 24/7, and when there were fewer supercaps, but this is no longer the case. These days, supercaps should need to be actively protected by alliances, and not by some high-sec-type carebearish game mechanic.

Note that I can see a valid argument for protecting logged-off cap/subcap ships belonging to individuals with an invulnerability mechanic, since an individual cannot be logged on 24/7. But, supercaps were never intended to be owned and used by individuals (using Titans and SCs for ratting is ludicrous) - they were meant to be built, owned and fielded by alliances (or, at least, very large corps), who should have sufficient members, across multiple TZs, to keep them protected.

If they can't all be actively protected... well... so be it. We all know that there are too many supercaps in the game, anyways - and are being built far faster than they are being lost in combat. Supercap proliferation has been the real cause of null sec stagnation, and I don't see that the proposed Fozzie Sov is going to change this significantly.

As a compromise, however, I'd recommend that mooring slow down damage taken by ships, but not stop it completely. The mooring structures could be equipped with reppers, for example. More reppers and fewer moored ships would mean the ships would be better protected (but still not invulnerable); less reppers and more moored ships would mean the ships would be less protected.

if these l and xl structures are the only place you can moor supers they need to be allowed in low sec. as I can store a super in a pos in low sec currently

The current and proposed graphics didn't match up by size.
Current had Outposts in the 4th slot, while size wise they match up to the proposed L structures, with XL structures being even larger than current outposts. Size wise the entire POS shield on a large tower kinda matches the L structures, but the tower is similar/smaller to the M structures in size.
I.E. they had a misleading graphic.

Except that relying on a massive alliance to protect Supers by default limits them to something that you can only have if you belong to one of those large groups.

Back when Supers were conceived a lot of things were "intended" and most of those intents have been so roundly turned on their head or crushed into the dirt by the player-base that there's talk that the entire class needs a complete re-invention.

The only thing making Moored ships vulnerable to damage would do is guarantee that no one would ever make use of the mechanic *ever* except by accident or because they didn't know better.



All of this is already possible with a logged out Titan or Super Carrier. It's not hard to find out who pilots such ships, then you just need to add them to watch-list, wait for them to log off, and then run a locator agent. Once you know where they logged off you can find all the POSes in the area and log off alts with probes in the area. When the character logs back in you just log in the alt and scan down where the ship is.

The reason this is impractical is because it's boring, time consuming, and most of the time the answer is "that system is deep in the heart of enemy territory and we'd get jumped if we tried to gank their ship"



Then you need to balance these structures around the theory that someone will moor the maximum allowable number of Titans at one for defensive boosts. Never mind that ridiculous suggestion of sub-cap DD just because you hooked the ship up to a structure...

More like that's a target and someone massive would be batphoned for amazing killmails.

what about ded space?

it would be cool if in space you owned you could build jump gates that lead to areas where you would moor your super caps.

now if an emeny wants to attack your supers they have to reinforce and destroy the jump gate which will pull the structure out of ded space and able to be scanned out with probes.

Why would they? If they're contributing to the structure's defense and can't be targeted then they're probably more use Moored with the pilots in other ships.



This seems like just another hoop to jump through. If you can beat the enemy for the gate then you can just as easily do it for the structure the ships are moored to. No point to the mechanic in that regard, it just lets you avoid camping, which is already a thing you can do to a POS.

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I think the long and the short of this is that if moored ships get destroyed or cut loose when the structure they're attached to is destroyed then the majority of supers pilots won't use mooring, or at least won't use it for any length of time.