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They're nerfing t3 destroyers in the wrong way.
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Anny Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-04-12 12:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Anny Jackson
Yeah, after the nerf T3 destroyers will cost like 65-70kk, which is still a little bit more than assault frigs and way less than pirate frigs (especially considering insuranse). And t3 destrtoyers will still be much better than any frig. So CCP will have to nerf them again, untill they become a little bit better than assaults, a little more expensive, and another ships nobody cares about.

Right now T3 destroyers are unique, because you can have a small scale pvp in nano-era style with them. You can actually play hit&run warfare with them, trying outmaneuver all those blobs with zillion logists. And I agree to pay sunstentially more for my favorite pvp style than 60-70kk. Make them cost like HACs, so they will become ships for a few. But don't nerf their stats, because the game is way too boring without such ships.
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#2 - 2015-04-12 13:32:30 UTC
Anny Jackson wrote:
Yeah, after the nerf T3 destroyers will cost like 65-70kk


[citation needed]

Build costs for each went up by around 12mil, so the current price of 44-45 mil reflects that already, and will likely settle here.

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
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#3 - 2015-04-12 15:49:52 UTC
They are broken as **** and completely killed the healthy frigate meta in low and nullsec. Having a ship with a 40m sig go 6km/s with 23k EHP and be unscrammable is beyond imbalanced.

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God's Apples
Wilderness
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#4 - 2015-04-12 17:16:21 UTC
It's a good thing they don't put you in charge of game balance...

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Ryder 'ook
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-04-12 19:57:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryder 'ook
Liam Inkuras wrote:
They are broken as **** and completely killed the healthy frigate meta in low and nullsec. Having a ship with a 40m sig go 6km/s with 23k EHP and be unscrammable is beyond imbalanced.


Exaggeration doesn't help your argument, it just makes you look butthurt.

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Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#6 - 2015-04-12 20:37:21 UTC
Anny Jackson wrote:
Yeah, after the nerf T3 destroyers will cost like 65-70kk, which is still a little bit more than assault frigs and way less than pirate frigs (especially considering insuranse). And t3 destrtoyers will still be much better than any frig. So CCP will have to nerf them again, untill they become a little bit better than assaults, a little more expensive, and another ships nobody cares about.

Right now T3 destroyers are unique, because you can have a small scale pvp in nano-era style with them. You can actually play hit&run warfare with them, trying outmaneuver all those blobs with zillion logists. And I agree to pay sunstentially more for my favorite pvp style than 60-70kk. Make them cost like HACs, so they will become ships for a few. But don't nerf their stats, because the game is way too boring without such ships.


I totally agree with you. In fact, my favourite 'style' of gameplay is winning all the time. So I think we should increase the price to 10 bil and buff them to have a module that can instant kill any sub capital ship once every 10 minutes (like a mini doomsday). Also cloaky, interdiction nullified, 500k EHP and cannot be pointed.

Ryder 'ook wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
They are broken as **** and completely killed the healthy frigate meta in low and nullsec. Having a ship with a 40m sig go 6km/s with 23k EHP and be unscrammable is beyond imbalanced.


Exaggeration doesn't help your argument, it just makes you look butthurt.

Those tears are delicious.


It's not exaggeration, with links you can achieve those numbers easily although you'd need to go into defense mode to get the EHP which you can easily do once you've caught your target.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#7 - 2015-04-13 00:44:55 UTC
Anny Jackson wrote:
But don't nerf their stats, because the game is way too boring without such ships.

Nerf them again you say?! Twisted

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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#8 - 2015-04-13 00:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The correct way to nerf t3 destroyers is to delete them.

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Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-04-13 13:59:04 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
The correct way to nerf t3 destroyers is to blow them up.


FTFY

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Mira Chieve
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#10 - 2015-04-13 18:51:01 UTC
Never had a problem with them, I can solo kill them in a damn Moa pretty easily.

But then again that is in null, so no fancy pods and stuff.
Nalia White
Tencus
#11 - 2015-04-15 16:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalia White
all they need is not to be able to fit a 10mn afterburner and they die easely to a cruiser.

btw a rapier will tear them a new one even now.

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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-04-15 17:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: 13kr1d1
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
The correct way to nerf t3 destroyers is to delete them.


lol yep. T3 destroyer out tanking and out damaging cruisers now.

Nalia White wrote:
all they need is not to be able to fit a 10mn afterburner and they die easely to a cruiser.

btw a rapier will tear them a new one even now.



Last time I attacked one, I was doing 32 damage per volley compared to base volley of 1200.

Why do they have such a tiny sig radius for such a souped up ship?

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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#13 - 2015-04-16 22:05:15 UTC
I hate everything about t3 dessies.

Concept of a ship that can change modes in space is awesome.... apart from the fact this is EVE not a game of gundum. Balancing this was always going to be a fools errand of iteration after iteration.

They completely wrecked the meta for small ships. Delete them now or just do a battlecruiser style balance pass on them.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#14 - 2015-04-16 22:26:31 UTC
Flat out removing them is better then balancing them, they add absolutely nothing to the game. All past ship additions did something unique and had a newish niche, you had super ganky bcs, the ultimate nano ships (mordus) and so on, t3ds are simply way bettter destroyers survialwise, they dont do more dps or do anything else unique (the mode change is just rp in reality).


The meta would be better if they were not in it flat out. **** ship class.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#15 - 2015-04-17 10:57:24 UTC
They could do with some bigger trade-offs and more limitations on mode-flipping.

But I don't think they're as broken as they're being made out to be.
Eanok
POS Party
Ember Sands
#16 - 2015-04-17 21:04:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Eanok
Liam Inkuras wrote:
They are broken as **** and completely killed the healthy frigate meta in low and nullsec. Having a ship with a 40m sig go 6km/s with 23k EHP and be unscrammable is beyond imbalanced.


Kiting Tristian can kill a 10mn svipul. Start flying Tristans, lol
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#17 - 2015-04-17 21:18:22 UTC
No they cant, svipul can tank them forever (or at least long enough to kill off all its drones, rendering its dps 0)
Eanok
POS Party
Ember Sands
#18 - 2015-04-18 00:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Eanok
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
No they cant, svipul can tank them forever (or at least long enough to kill off all its drones, rendering its dps 0)



Negative, Tristan with a TD owns face against a 10mn fit Slippery Nipple Svipul. You not land a single blow on the drones. I dont think you can self rep with any 10mn fit. Soooooooo....... Svipul dies

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Paranoid Loyd
#19 - 2015-04-18 00:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
It's funny that you have no Svipul kills with a Tristan but you lost your TD Tristan to one.

How long does it take to kill a Svipul with no Nuets and 80 DPS?

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Eanok
POS Party
Ember Sands
#20 - 2015-04-18 00:14:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Eanok
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
It's funny that you have no Svipul kills with a Tristan but you lost your TD Tristan to one.



Indeed I did. he was MWD fit with light missiles. Why that mail shows he did 100% of his damage with artie is beyond me. Also, I'm not gonna splode a corpies Svipul
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