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Looking for a 5bil investment into my trading activities @ 5%
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C- Mack
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-04-16 19:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: C- Mack
Hello everyone, my name is Mack and I am here to ask for an investment into my trading activities.

I left Eve in 2012 after not finding my niche, but returned in late 2013 to give trading a try. Trading shares some similarities with activities I take part in IRL, so I thought it would be fun to apply my RL skills to something in-game. I have since fallen in love with playing the markets in Eve. I trade in mostly fast selling, high volume items, with the occasional investment in capital ships wherever a good opportunity arises.

I have worked mostly alone since resubbing, but am interested in getting involved with the Eve community. I would like to start offering more frequent, larger investment plans, but I ofc want to earn my investors trust before I ask for any serious amount of money. This is my request-

I am asking for 5 billion ISK, which I will pay back within 30 days, at a rate of 5%. I will accept any investment over 200mil, and the repayment period, for each individual, will begin on the date that I receive the ISK. I do not need to fill the bond before starting the 30 day period.

Of course, I wouldn't expect anyone to invest money into something without any kind of security. Therefore, I have requested a previous client of mine to run an audit check on me. We have formed a good professional friendship after trading a few capitals and some other assorted items with each other. Remi Nardieu is the head recruiter for Collapsed Out, the former main corporation in Overload Everything, who have now joined Pandemic Legion. In his time there he has checked over 100 APIs. I should also add that it is against his corporation's rules to scam, steal, or do anything that could make them look bad. Feel free to look them up.

I don't wish to waste anyone's time, and so I expect the same courtesy in return.

Many thanks,

C-Mack
C- Mack
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-04-16 19:59:42 UTC
Reserved
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#3 - 2015-04-16 20:13:02 UTC
C- Mack wrote:
I should also add that it is against his alliance's rules to scam, steal, or do anything that could make their alliance look bad. Feel free to look them up.


Are you talking about Pandemic Legion?

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C- Mack
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-04-16 20:18:13 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
C- Mack wrote:
I should also add that it is against his alliance's rules to scam, steal, or do anything that could make their alliance look bad. Feel free to look them up.


Are you talking about Pandemic Legion?


That should be corp. I'll edit that. As for PL, I don't know what their policy is, but his corp don't allow it anyway.
Remi Nardieu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-04-16 20:37:33 UTC
I'm here to confirm everything C-Mack said above. He's sent me his full API and I'll check it over this evening.

I'd also like to add that it's my intention to get into the third party business. I see this as a stepping stone into that side of things. Handling the sales of supercapitals is what interests me, but handling audits for investors would be a logical first step.

Anyway, results of the audit will be posted here tomorrow.

- Remi
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#6 - 2015-04-16 20:47:17 UTC
I don't know if it's just me, but I'd prefer an independent third party that didn't want to be yet another PL supercap third party. Lol.

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C- Mack
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-04-16 20:55:32 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
I don't know if it's just me, but I'd prefer an independent third party that didn't want to be yet another PL supercap third party. Lol.


Understandable. However, I am set on working with Remi for now. I'm not in dire need of this ISK, I am just wanting to work up a relationship with this forum. I'd also like to help Remi with what he posted.

I can use other thirds party's for future bonds.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#8 - 2015-04-16 23:11:57 UTC
Typically the investing party performs the audit and the third party holds collateral. Also, third parties are to be trusted and known , as well as agreed on by both debtor and lender. Untrusted, unknown 3rd parties only compound the loans chance of default...

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Crawlblood
#9 - 2015-04-16 23:33:41 UTC
So your security is not that of any tangible collateral, but rather an a-ok from an unknown PL member who is not yet recognised...

hold up let me go find my doctor evil meme.

Rude, Obnoxious and somewhat in you face.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#10 - 2015-04-17 00:42:12 UTC
WOULD LIKE PLEDGE 20B AND A KITTEN

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flakeys
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-04-17 06:31:41 UTC
Crawlblood wrote:
So your security is not that of any tangible collateral, but rather an a-ok from an unknown PL member who is not yet recognised...

hold up let me go find my doctor evil meme.



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Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
#12 - 2015-04-17 07:54:05 UTC
C- Mack wrote:
...but returned in late 2013 to give trading a try. Trading shares some similarities with activities I take part in IRL, so I thought it would be fun to apply my RL skills to something in-game. I have since fallen in love with playing the markets in Eve. I trade in mostly fast selling, high volume items, with the occasional investment in capital ships wherever a good opportunity arises.
... after trading a few capitals and some other assorted items with each other.


Don't want to waste your time, my honest reply as short as possible:
Someone trading for >12 month and claiming to be involved in capital trading (which takes quiet some ISK) is asking for 5b ISK.
If you are short on 5b ISK or 5b ISK will enable you to significantly boost your trading:I don't feel like your trading business is somehow successfull.
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-04-17 10:38:39 UTC
No collateral ?
It's a mistake to call anything other than collateral security.
You are offering a small degree of possible risk mitigation not security sorry.

The only other thing that really counts besides collateral is reputation where the reputation value is worth much more than loan value, and it's difficult to achieve that.
MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
Pandemic Unicorns
#14 - 2015-04-17 18:15:11 UTC
I pledge 3 smarties and a pack of wine gums.
A1izee
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-04-17 18:34:06 UTC
I pledge a chewed up piece of bubblegum. that's what the a-ok is worth
C- Mack
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-04-17 19:52:59 UTC
No problem, gents.

I shall be on my merry way. Thanks for your time o/
Cista2
EVE Museum
#17 - 2015-04-17 22:11:29 UTC
C- Mack wrote:
No problem, gents.

I shall be on my merry way. Thanks for your time o/

Do the audit, offer some api info for investors, offer higher interest rate.

My channel: "Signatures" -
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#18 - 2015-04-17 22:24:22 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
C- Mack wrote:
No problem, gents.

I shall be on my merry way. Thanks for your time o/

Do the audit, offer some api info for investors, offer higher interest rate.

Why can't your 3rd party lend you the isk? I understand that you want to work with the MD community, but saying that sounds suspicious. Especially with a 5bil unsecured loan with an untrusted unknown 3rd party involved.

I think it would be wise forego the audit, lower the loan amount (1bil?) and increase the interest to about 8-15%. As well as offering API info.

In this way you might not need 1bil at 15%, but you will have a higher chance of success at securing 5bil no collateral 5-8% loan in the future.

Take it slow, MD lenders are an apprehensive bunch with any amounts over 1bil unsecured.

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GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#19 - 2015-04-17 22:45:37 UTC
C- Mack wrote:
No problem, gents.

I shall be on my merry way. Thanks for your time o/


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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2015-04-18 01:47:11 UTC
Koniforous offers good advice.
Could the 3rd party put up the collateral for you? Long time players have a lot of junk laying around. If they trust you let them put up some of that junk. They are also in charge of an alliance? Should be peanuts to them.. In fact the liquid 5 bill should be peanuts to them.

5 billion is a lot to ask for a first time loan. A realistic approach shows investors you've thought things through. This mean you are more likely to also have a viable plan and intent from the start to pay back the loan. The more pie in the sky the less likely.

The benefit to the investor is small.
IF your plan for the ISK is good AND
IF you intend to pay it back AND
IF nothing unforseen happens AND
IF you don't explode for not having a mining permit AND
IF you did mean to pay it back at the start, but it's tough making ISK and you've now changed your mind doesn't happen.
They get 21 back for every 20 they loaned you.

OR

If any of the above fails they get 0 back for every 20 they loaned you.

The risk is huge, the payback is small. Remind investors why you are a good idea, come up with a good plan, sell yourself, try and see it from their point of view. If the roles were reversed what would make you want to risk your ISK on a stranger? What would make you feel confident you had made a good investment?
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