Crime & Punishment

Agree with you - these fools have turned bullying and harassment into an art form. Everything they do is designed to elicit the maximum level of rage and frustration from victims. It's like vandals going around and demanding that people purchase "parking permits" from then under threat of property damage. It has no place in any sort of civilized society, and would be severely punished by the law enforcement authorities. And that is the issue right now, the code "agents" commit crime after crime, but never once face a measure of real punishment for their activity.

Except for the whole infallible police thing, and you know laws, and stuff.

If we were supposed to be civil, CCP would have just turned off our guns.

sorry if i mispelled something wrong in my posts, english isnt my native. but i wasnt drunk, oki? -.- youre the drunk one -.- never forget to fear me, i can bump you to death :P

Welcome to EvE, I hope you like it here.

That said, please ignore whatever guide it is, which has given you the impression your ships can autonomously farm unattended in HiSec for 1 to 2 hours at a time. Current game mechanics doesn't allow for this, not has this been the case for quite some time by now (years).

*) NPCs in missions will shoot your drones, so AFK running missions in drone boats no longer works very well.
*) The low ceiling for ore content in HiSec asteroids, combined with the cycle time of strip miners, means you need to tinker with your mining ship at least every few minutes. The time required for a single Miner II on a Venture to exhaust a large Veldspar asteroid can be quite long, but that is due to the ridiculously low yield - and thus payout - that ship provides.
*) Good luck AFK farming Incursions.

As for CODE. and how to coexist peacefully with them, while they whittle down your incompetent competitors:

*) Put a tank on your Hulk. If you sacrifice a low slot for a DC, you save enough CPU that you can crank the EHP against Void ammo up beyond the capability of two bored Catalyst pilots to kill even in a 0.5. You loose 8% yield by doing so (considering mining drones in the total yield), yet the ship will still vastly outmine either a Skiff or a Mackinaw.

*) Have all your pilots train Thermodynamics up a few notches. Overheating your shield resists takes the Hulk EHP up to a point, where it it touch and go whether 3 Catalysts can kill it in a 0.5.

*) Use a T2 Siege link on your Orca booster for even more EHP goodness. The mining cap link serves no purpose with good cap skills on the Exhumer pilots.

*) Brick tank your Orca booster the whole nine yeards: DC-II, 1x T2 reinforced + 3x T1 transverse bulkheads, T2 LSE, T2 Invuln + T2 Kn/Th hardeners in mids. With heat+links it will take a pretty ridiculous fleet to suicide gank this, meaning on the order of 15 Tornado/Talos pilots. No-one is likely to bother, unless you absolutly cannot help yourself provoking your local agent.

*) Keep all Exhumers within easy docking range of your Orca, 2500m. Meaning you can swap ships up until the point where the shooting starts. Swap to a shuttle and jump out if a group of catalysts jumps in on you. Need to be quick though, as you need to dump your ore in the Orca fleet hangar before you can swap ships.

*) Use the Orca fleet hangar as a giant jetcan, thus making your fleet ore thief proof.

*) Use a T1/Meta buffer tanked Miasmos to haul ore from the Orca to a station. Empty high and rig slots, shield buffer/resists in mids, DC-I (yes, one) plus 3x meta iStabs (don't care about the sig radius increase, this is just to make the job of ore hauling easier). The cost including modules will be less than 2M ISK before insurance, essentially making the ship completely disposable. Yet the EHP with links and heat makes it a pretty tough nut to crack for a few Catalysts. Do put a 'gf!' in local if somebody does bother to gank it, as they truly deserve it for wasting around 25M ISK on killing it.

*) Never mine in systems with below 0.7 sec status, there is simply no reason to do so. This cuts CONCORD response time roughly in half, making life for any suicide gankers even harder.

Once you do all of this, it seems the Code Agents doesn't even bother asking for mining permit payments any longer. Seems they go straight to the targets with softer underbellies. IE. they will quietly ignore you, provided you can keep your mouth shut and let the agents have their fun in local etc.

Of course the problem is that most miners seem chronically unable to fend for themselves doing even these minimal precautions...

Well apperently it's been a while since you did any mining in hi-sec but I believe you missed a couple points on your couple of weeks in EvE having been busy cashing in some PLEX'es. It is with my utmost sincere grievances that I deliver you the news that:

1) It is possible in fact despite how low hi-sec ore values are still a widely done practice to get an orca and then get a bunch of alts and then mine baby mine till the break of dawn with some "effort" in between while your hauling your ass from the belt to the station. As far as the NPC's in the belts go I can't express just how sad I am that this inconveinience still exists. CCP outh to remove travel time for oca's in hi-sec and just make them a vacuum with infinite storage ad then proceed to disband the horrific and obviously overpowered abonimations of NPC's that we have in hi-sec belts. (Suggestion replace them withh cookies and pancakes)

2)AFK doing missions is possible and I have seen some people pull it off (Auto targeting missiles) though it is laughably slower and you might likely die. What I'm more concerned about is when you're looking at the screen you can manage as many accounts as you like without the chance of being blown up so long as you're not shitf*ck ******** and are paying "some" attention.

3)Incursions like missions have a Very high ISK yield for what has become something some would argue to be safer than certain Level 4 missions. This and the fact that it literally gives liquid ISK instead of say %100 Concord LP is troublesome on the ISK inflation part. What annoys me further is reading through the dev logs you'll see that incursions have enjoyed some plentiful buff's in the recent years as well. So you want to AFK run ıncursions? Have at it pal, we can just cut out the part where other ships fire at you. That sounds just about right..







It is ture that it's exteremely easy to avoid these ganks and so many people (not just miners and especially freighters) failing to do so is just another proof how pink and fossy the world of a hi-sec farmer is and how they've never been violated.

As far as these ganks go:

Working As Intended...

this is pretty much true. when im 'afk mining', im still at the keyboard, and swiching back to eve in every minutes. if im away for 2 mins, my procu is stop mining. and i do this kind of afk mining in 0.6. so yes, its not true afk.

You need to pick your roids better. If I was so inclined I could afk my Proc for 2 or 3 cycles in a 0.5.

Survey scanners and pre targeting are key, do it right and you never pop a roid or miss a cycle, which leaves some stuff for the guys in ventures and the like.

AFK miners are the ones that sit there until the roid pops, and don't switch to the next one, there's plenty of them out there.