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Continuious Wardec ...................................................

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#61 - 2015-04-16 12:21:36 UTC
Miss Dallocort wrote:
The increased losses are to do with my own laziness. I could make just as much isk if I made some deals with hauling groups and sorted out some stuff to get everything handled, but originally our plan was to wait them out.

If they are just disrupting your hauling, then just have your haulers drop corp until they give up. Your haulers should be in an NPC corp anyways to avoid this situation.

Wardecs are completely avoidable unless you are relying on a POS as there is no other real advantage to be in a player corp. I feel dirty giving this advice, but with only 2 players just dissolve and reform the corp and the wardec is gone, or have your haulers/miners drop to the NPC corp for the duration of the war. No more wardec.

Whatever you do though, stop hiding in a station. Fight back or wriggle free, but waiting them out is the least fun option on the table.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#62 - 2015-04-16 12:34:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Miss Dallocort wrote:
Sure we could fight back with weapons maybe even inflict some damage, but I'd much rather watch them waste time and money because I'm pretty sure my pockets reach much deeper than theirs.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but declaring and maintaining a war against an inactive entity requires no time investment. All you do is pay the bill once a week. Moreover a 50 million per week bill is entirely trivial to a dedicated war dec group that likely makes billions to tens of billions per week on contracts.

You sitting there doing nothing is an acceptable outcome for the aggressor, if it wasn't they would have dropped the war already.
Josef Djugashvilis
#63 - 2015-04-16 13:38:25 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Miss Dallocort wrote:
Opinions?
Not enough periods.


Perhaps she is on the other side of the menopause?

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#64 - 2015-04-16 14:06:59 UTC
Miss Dallocort wrote:
Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........

is considered harassment if at all?
..

Only if the constant drumbeat of bads who come onto the forums spilling tears about wardecs is selfsame considered harassment of other forum dwellers who are not bad, would you then have a precedent and case to make.

tldr;
You are bad, trying to transmogrify your inability to self-educate into 'harassment' by others. Go skill yourself.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#65 - 2015-04-16 15:24:36 UTC
CCP has tried to make the war dec system balanced, with as few rules as possible. To this end they allow:

Wars to be declared for any and all reasons, without restrictions, and to be arbitrarily long.
Any player who has no interest in war can drop corp whenever they want, thus dodging the war.

So you really should just drop corp. Leave a holding alt in there as CEO, drop corp, and get on with your industrial activities. This is true for everyone. If war is interfering with your play style, then leave the war. CCP has given you that ability.

Note: I have seen ransoms paid many times. I have never seen them honored.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#66 - 2015-04-16 16:35:15 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
So if he's not going to do anything his options consist of "Sit there and take the D" or "Sit there and take the D".
Always thought the "D" should be depicted more as a C as in c=== + 8

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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#67 - 2015-04-16 16:51:04 UTC
It's just another way for 'leet' pvpers to find GUDFIGHTS.

My proposal for years has been limited wardecs.. Wardec Skill, corporate skill.. 1 wardec up to a maximum of 5 based on the CEO of corp or CEO of executor corp of alliance.. 5 per corp or 5 per alliance. no more, no less.

Wars should mean something and have purpose. As of now wardeccing is just free pvp against those who choose to be productive members of the game as opposed to destructive. "WAH!! but without destruction there's no need to produce.. WAH!!!"
blah blah..

Go find a REALFIGHT and not just GUDFIGHTS.

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One of the last cancers remaining in Eve that can be easily removed.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2015-04-16 17:04:28 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
It's just another way for 'leet' pvpers to find GUDFIGHTS.

My proposal for years has been limited wardecs.. Wardec Skill, corporate skill.. 1 wardec up to a maximum of 5 based on the CEO of corp or CEO of executor corp of alliance.. 5 per corp or 5 per alliance. no more, no less.

Wars should mean something and have purpose. As of now wardeccing is just free pvp against those who choose to be productive members of the game as opposed to destructive. "WAH!! but without destruction there's no need to produce.. WAH!!!"
blah blah..

Go find a REALFIGHT and not just GUDFIGHTS.

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One of the last cancers remaining in Eve that can be easily removed.


They need to make them meaningful before they ever think of limiting them.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#69 - 2015-04-16 18:14:33 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
It's just another way for 'leet' pvpers to find GUDFIGHTS.

My proposal for years has been limited wardecs.. Wardec Skill, corporate skill.. 1 wardec up to a maximum of 5 based on the CEO of corp or CEO of executor corp of alliance.. 5 per corp or 5 per alliance. no more, no less.

Wars should mean something and have purpose. As of now wardeccing is just free pvp against those who choose to be productive members of the game as opposed to destructive. "WAH!! but without destruction there's no need to produce.. WAH!!!"
blah blah..

Go find a REALFIGHT and not just GUDFIGHTS.

W
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One of the last cancers remaining in Eve that can be easily removed.

Heeeyyyy you must be that famous guy from Deep Core Mining Inc.,
who has lots of experience in wardecs and being wardecced and everyone knows you, right?


Sheesh, I had no idea you existed. :/



So, why exactly do you believe that you are a better person than other people?
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#70 - 2015-04-16 18:36:07 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:

So, why exactly do you believe that you are a better person than other people?



I'm curious where I said that. Also, are you not in an NPC corp as well? I'm so confused. Please tell us what your world is like. Does it have rainbows and unicorns?

Does mittens also run a hearts and unicorns clusterfuck there?
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#71 - 2015-04-16 19:02:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Solecist
Well ... I'm Sol.
It's not really comparable.
But as anyone could say that, just ask the others.
And other obvious Sol-accounts aren't active right now.


Anyhow, you did.
You did so much.

It's always funny how people do not realise that they are transporting emotional content as well,
no matter how much they try to cloud their words. Conscious communication is really hard.


While your whole post pretty much screams "I'M BETTER THAN YOU" ...
... I can condense it down to this part ...

Quote:
Go find a REALFIGHT and not just GUDFIGHTS.


... to prove my point.


You do not like wardecs as they are. How it is now isn't the right thing.
With what you believe would be the better thing. Obviously the thing you do. Or would do.

Others shouldn't just do x, they should do y.

Because y is better.


And y is something you came up with.
Something that connects with you.
Something you like.


Quote:
As of now wardeccing is just free pvp against those who choose to be productive members of the game as opposed to destructive.


I admit you worded it really well. Much better than 99% of the people out there,
yet you can't get away with it.

So people do attack "productive members" (who defines that? you? I miss a definition.) ...
... and you somehow seem to believe that isn't the right thing they should do ...
... and thus you want things to be changed.


Also, you are trying to belittle me, which is hilarious. XD


You are a bitter man ... and that's funny. ^_^
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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2015-04-16 20:22:08 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Please tell us what your world is like. Does it have rainbows and unicorns?
I'd expect nothing less of Sol. Plus, people with very fashionable clothes that they never wear.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2015-04-16 20:22:34 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Please tell us what your world is like. Does it have rainbows and unicorns?

Actually my world does.

Yours could too if you mixed some LSD, Extacy and 2 oz of 100 year old Single Malt Scotch.

Be careful though. I forgot the Scotch once and spent 13 hours staring at Rosie O'Donnell naked...sitting on a Unicorn...
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#74 - 2015-04-16 20:58:06 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Please tell us what your world is like. Does it have rainbows and unicorns?
I'd expect nothing less of Sol. Plus, people with very fashionable clothes that they never wear.

Hahahahahahaha never wear. xD

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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2015-04-16 21:45:45 UTC
I can't imagine what it would be like to rake in 6 billion ISK a week but if I could, i'd just hire another, larger merc corp and pay them 500M or whatever every week to permadec these guys, just to prove a point. If it's a small merc corp they won't be able to put up much of a fight against a competent opponent, so just force them to dock or go play on their nullsec alts.

You have a ton of ISK; what else are you doing with it? Use it to put some hurt on these vultures. Find a merc corp that will actually produce killmails and pay them. Better yet, use them to set a logon trap with one of your industrials as bait.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#76 - 2015-04-16 21:51:21 UTC
People keep talking about the size of a merc group as if it's a major factor in their effectiveness.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2015-04-16 21:51:55 UTC
Miss Dallocort wrote:
Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........

is considered harassment if at all?


Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members)

The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts.


The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_-




Opinions?

Absolutely fine imo. The difference between this form of PvP and something like suicide ganking (not fine imo) is you have many options available at your disposal.

1. Fight.
2. Disband.
3. Play an alt out of corp.
4. Move to nullsec / low sec.

There is an ability to react and so you're not SOL in comparison to some random fleet melting your ship in less than a second on a high sec gate.

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Bklyn 1
MUSE Buy-n-Large
#78 - 2015-04-16 21:54:31 UTC
Just move to low sec or *gasp* null. Most high sec war dec corps cling to the side of the pool and won't dare follow you into scary null sec.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2015-04-16 22:10:58 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
People keep talking about the size of a merc group as if it's a major factor in their effectiveness.


It matters when considering setting a trap for them. A few guys in blingboats can be blobbed to death quite easily.
Mario Putzo
#80 - 2015-04-16 22:25:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Hello I am with the campaign for the discontinuation of War Decs. We are a peaceful people are we not? We all share the same cluster and should get along. Our enemies will subvert us otherwise. CONCORD spends more time dealing with backlogged War Declarations than they do policing the pirate menace that seems to be ever increasing. This was outsourced to us Poddies.

I call for an immediate end to war declarations outright, and entire restructuring of the entire CONCORD response to crime. Sanshas attack with impunity, a new Sleeper menace is on our doorstep, Jovian structures are appearing across the cluster.

More over WE DEMAND an entire rework of CONCORD funding. Those of us who make no use of CONCORD still pay the SAME rates as people who make heavy use of CONCORD. It is time Empire Nations demanded freedom from the system where YOU pay for your CONCORD protection...so I DONT HAVE TO. Enough is enough. If pilots in New Eden desire "protection" then they should foot the bill, not the Empires and most certainly not those who make no use of that protection.

This has been a message from the Association of Poddies Against WarDecs and Concord Financing.