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[VGRD] Liberty Vanguard Statement of Founding

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Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2015-04-16 15:15:29 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:

The Dove platform ultimately seeks peaceful, non-military resolution to conflict. This involves a priority on diplomatic initiatives, responses, interests and so on. Military action is generally reserved as a "last resort" option. Doves will generally oppose any military action that is offensive in nature (invading another nation, setting up blockades or military embargoes, etc) but will reluctantly accept some military action if necessary bring diplomacy to the table.

However, there is a division within the Dove bloc; there are some that promote the complete reduction of spending on military while another suggests maintaining military spending and development as a necessary part of maintaining our security and freedoms.

I would belong to the latter group. A strong military is a must in today's geopolitical climate but I would prefer that military be used to defend and protect, not to destroy or conquer.



So to clarify, are you law-enforcement or heavily-armed social workers?

Either way, I pray God gives you everything you deserve.


Angels... are never far.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-04-16 16:26:14 UTC
Neither.

My prayer for you is the same, Monsieur Mokk.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
#23 - 2015-04-16 17:41:13 UTC
Even as a enemy of the Federation (as an Ammarian who are enemies with the Federation through our corrupt Caldari allies), I wish you good luck in your endeavors.

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,

And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:

Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2015-04-16 18:04:03 UTC
Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:
Even as a enemy of the Federation (as an Ammarian who are enemies with the Federation through our corrupt Caldari allies), I wish you good luck in your endeavors.


That's hillarious. You want to talk about corruption, let me tell you about some of my interactions with Amarrian civil servants!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-04-16 18:35:23 UTC
Gentlemen please...

I would prefer you take your domestic disputes outside.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#26 - 2015-04-16 18:58:11 UTC
I'm at least three drinks short of starting domestic disputes on the IGS.

Pieter, get your ass back now, this is a CTA.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2015-04-16 20:46:52 UTC
Are you considering entering the FDU ?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2015-04-16 20:51:00 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
I'm at least three drinks short of starting domestic disputes on the IGS.

Pieter, get your ass back now, this is a CTA.


Tuulinen domestic disputes have a five drink minimum.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-04-16 21:51:26 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Are you considering entering the FDU ?


That has yet to be determined but is a likely possibility.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2015-04-17 08:47:45 UTC
Sad...
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-04-17 11:02:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Antolliere
Would you like to know what's "sad?"

What's sad is when the cluster has reached a point that we, the self-proclaimed "elite," count among our number individuals who find it "sad" that someone would choose to defend their homeland, the people within it and the ideals upon which it was founded even through military action if necessary. That the choice to take a defensive stance, serving to protect those who cannot protect themselves, mitigate damage and chaos and strive to promote stability in an ever-shifting war zone is viewed as a negative thing.

That's sad.

Regardless of your opinions on the matter, regardless of what you wish to tell yourself or all of the statistics and propaganda you may wish to bring to your own defense; there are people living in the systems under the war zone; people whose lives are affected by the chaos, the turmoil, the conflict, the destruction and the flippancy and disregard of militias all too happy to consider them a statistic rather than people.

I, for one, refuse to do nothing when I could do something.

Save your judgments, they'll do you no good wasting them on me.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-04-17 11:50:11 UTC
I am sorry if I offended you sir.

I just think that you actually contribute negatively to what you try to defend by taking part into the very system that turned those areas into scorched lands, where everything at stake is burnt to the glory of the LP militia stores...

Like incursions, that regions have turned into farms tended by capsuleers for their enjoyment. I do not mean to attack the integrity of your character, or your motivations, sir... I really hope you can see that at least, even if out of disagreement.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#33 - 2015-04-17 12:04:59 UTC
I'm not offended, I simply took the opportunity to make my opinion on the matter clear as well.

I thank you for a reasoned response.

Any system, regardless of the intent behind its institution, can be used for good or ill. Though the militias and CEWPA may have turned the war zones into "scorched land," that very same system can be used to help promote and defend stability and security in those areas, which can lead to reconstruction and restoration.

It's a long and lofty goal, but any goal worth striving for is.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2015-04-18 06:31:39 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:

The Dove platform ultimately seeks peaceful, non-military resolution to conflict. This involves a priority on diplomatic initiatives, responses, interests and so on. Military action is generally reserved as a "last resort" option. Doves will generally oppose any military action that is offensive in nature (invading another nation, setting up blockades or military embargoes, etc) but will reluctantly accept some military action if necessary bring diplomacy to the table.

However, there is a division within the Dove bloc; there are some that promote the complete reduction of spending on military while another suggests maintaining military spending and development as a necessary part of maintaining our security and freedoms.

I would belong to the latter group. A strong military is a must in today's geopolitical climate but I would prefer that military be used to defend and protect, not to destroy or conquer.



So to clarify, are you law-enforcement or heavily-armed social workers?

Either way, I pray God gives you everything you deserve.


Angels... are never far.

I loved that.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-04-18 11:39:28 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
I can never tell whether it is better to have a hated enemy that you wish to fight, or an honorable enemy that you must fight. A question for the philosophers.

While having a honorable enemy that you must fight you will fight coldly and calculative, showing your knowledge and skill, like you have been taught in the academy. Obviously, cold and calculative warrior will defeat a savage, who is led only by its rage.

But on the other hand, if you have already learned how to fight with your knowledge and skill, you will prefer to have hated enemy. Because anger and hatred, if channeled carefully, can enhance your strength and endurance tenfold. If you will let hatred and anger to control you, you will lose ability to fight with skill and knowledge, and you will fail. But if you will be able to control and guide your hatred and anger towards your hated enemy, the efficiency of your applied skill will become way greater than your enemy or yourself would expect.

Fighting against hated enemy, fighting when you wish to fight, when you protect others and wish death to enemy with every cell of your body, will allow you to make right choices and to sacrifice yourself when it will be needed without second thought.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Wendrika Hydreiga
#36 - 2015-04-18 13:46:43 UTC
You know what? At first all the things the Federation says sound appealing! Freedom, peace, unity, fraternity! And better work conditions too! Not to mention better pay!

But then I remember how all their ships look like potatoes and start to ponder on all my life decisions up until this point...

Here's hoping the Federation is destroyed during my immortal life-time and that mega-corporativism and meritocracy kicks in, and bans all tuber-like ship design!

And now to make fun of Mister Antolliere because he is funny and a silly Gallente! Oui oui, cuisses de grenoille!

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2015-04-18 15:31:07 UTC
Grenouille.
Isaiah Bishop
#38 - 2015-04-18 15:55:39 UTC
Godspeed, VGRD.
Vechtor
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-04-18 22:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vechtor
Liam Antolliere wrote:

At this time, we do not have any formal plans for involvement in any military campaigns or statements of intent.


I'm confused. I mean, don't get me wrong, but you just said the above but the information with regard to VGRD I could get from my circle of informants tells me you are going to join Faction Warfare. This is not criticism. Just a reasonable doubt.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#40 - 2015-04-19 09:13:05 UTC
Vechtor wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:

At this time, we do not have any formal plans for involvement in any military campaigns or statements of intent.


I'm confused. I mean, don't get me wrong, but you just said the above but the information with regard to VGRD I could get from my circle of informants tells me you are going to join Faction Warfare. This is not criticism. Just a reasonable doubt.


Joining the militia does not entail immediately launching, or participating in, a military campaign.

For clarification: a military campaign would be actions such as the recent blockade in Reitsato launched by GMVA, or a specific plan of action to capture or secure various systems or combat against a specific group or corporation.

We have no plans to do any such activities at this time and joining the militia would be a step toward gaining legal rights to engage in the war zone, nothing more at this time.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

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