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Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-04-15 19:57:43 UTC
@ Schmata Bastanold Yeah I think it will be like what you said. Lol it already is somewhat like that - skills in training and no time to play :). I am going to start with my PvE Raven for all missions till I get used to it. I wanted to know which ships were good because I wanted to prepare the money and buy them when they're cheap and skill for them from now on - so that I can smoothly transition from the Raven.

Heard from a friend that most pirate faction BS's and their like dropped to a very low value due to some market crash in EVE and that their prices will be back to their normal 1bil hull and 500 mill fittings in a few months. For a new player like me - the chance to pick up these awesome hulls for about 300-500 mil a piece is a very good offer.

I realized the harsh side of EVE when I got blown up suddenly for no reason - and the player who blew me up stating that he did so because he was irritated - then he camped in the system for a few days straight irritating the heck out of me :P and I was forced to rage quit till now.
Redne Dab
Starbuck Lovers
#22 - 2015-04-15 22:49:53 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:


Now I'm using Vargur and I feel like home again. I don't blitz, I clear up everything so it's ideal for me. Reasonable omni tank which with bastion let's me tank every hisec L4 + circa 1000+ dps + damage flexibility = take mission, fly there, drop MTU, kill everything, scoop loot, complete mission. Can't get easier than that in my books.



Would you mind sharing your fit? I've got marauder 4 and most applicable skills up to 5 but could not get comfortable in my vargur. It never felt as resilient as my sleipnir.

Thanks,
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-04-15 23:49:57 UTC
probably alot of ppl already stated it but fast clear missioning when u already fly a raven i would recommend next step raven navy, rattle, golem. Golem against mission with heavy ewar like serpentis blockade l4, rattle properly fitted gives me nearly 18M bounty ticks with proper missions, raven navy i only had 12M mission bounty tick.

i will link the fits i used when i still did missions, which was clearly after the BS changes but haven't used them in awhile

[Raven Navy Issue, mission]
F-89 Synchronized Signal Amplifier
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Large Micro Jump Drive
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Domination Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Domination EM Ward Amplifier
X-Large Clarity Ward Booster I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet II x5
Cap Booster 800 x15
Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile x2160
Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile x648

[Rattlesnake, mission]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier

Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Garde II x2
Gecko x1

[Golem, mission]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Bastion Module I
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-04-16 00:13:44 UTC
@Jeanne-Luise Argenau Thank you for the fits!

Yeah Raven was good but I had no interest in Navy Raven/Golem - they're too expensive for me. Just the hull alone cost 550 mil and 1.05 bil respectively. On the other - the Rattlesnake is super awesome - total costs less than 600 mil but has more dps/tank than CNR/Golem - so that even if I make a mistake I won't lose my ship mostly. Going to try your Rattlesnake fit in EFT and see what kind of dps/tank i can pull. :)
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-04-16 00:27:25 UTC
Selune Starlight wrote:
@Jeanne-Luise Argenau Thank you for the fits!

Yeah Raven was good but I had no interest in Navy Raven/Golem - they're too expensive for me. Just the hull alone cost 550 mil and 1.05 bil respectively. On the other - the Rattlesnake is super awesome - total costs less than 600 mil but has more dps/tank than CNR/Golem - so that even if I make a mistake I won't lose my ship mostly. Going to try your Rattlesnake fit in EFT and see what kind of dps/tank i can pull. :)


i pretty much did dps tanking tbh any of my fits should only end up around 300 to 350 tank against their worst rats. i think u asked for navy scorp and personally i think that ship is wasted isk as u often need more salves to kill the rats in mission. but its your game so choose what u like

ps: marauder rly shines in ecm heavy missions, i preferred drone boats or missiles t1 boats as they are immune against td's
Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-04-16 00:55:49 UTC
Hmmm...true SNI is too expensive as well...so for me it's going to be a Rattlesnake next...maybe a Machariel later when I have the cash for the fittings. Marauders are still too far away for me both ISK and skill wise - so putting them up as long term skill goals.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#27 - 2015-04-16 04:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Ok, here are my fits.

[Vargur, L4]

Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Domination 100MN Microwarpdrive
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Bastion Module I
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II

Warrior II x5
Valkyrie II x5


[Ishtar, L4]
Damage Control II
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier

Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
10MN Afterburner II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Auto Targeting System I
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Small 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer

Medium Ionic Field Projector I
Medium Drone Scope Chip I

Hammerhead II x5
Acolyte II x10
Hobgoblin II x10
Warrior II x10
Valkyrie II x5
Bouncer II x5


[Rattlesnake, L4]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Sensor Booster II
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Large Micro Jump Drive
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Bouncer II x2

Inferno Fury Cruise Missile x135
Optimal Range Script x2


[Nightmare, L4]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

100MN Afterburner II
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pith A-Type EM Ward Field
Pith A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Sensor Booster II

Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II

Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x10

Conflagration L x8
Scorch L x8


[Machariel, L4]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II

800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Ionic Field Projector I

Hobgoblin II x5
Bouncer II x4


Yep, that's t1 hield booster on that mach, I was poor back then :) It worked fine since I could start blasting rats at 90-ish km range and at 20-30k range face melting powers started to manifest :)

That nightmare has 1200+ dps burst tank, if you need more you seriously are doing something wrong with this ship.

Rattler fit I am sure I just took it from somewhere, probably from this or Missions subforum. I tried it, didn't like it much, it's collecting dust ever since but maybe I will give it another try at some point.

Well, enjoy :)

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#28 - 2015-04-16 04:53:28 UTC
Selune Starlight wrote:
I am thinking of levelling up my L4 mission Raven to a something better like the Rattlesnake, Scorpion Navy Issue, Machariel or even a Nightmare. The hard point is that I was away from EVE for over a year and now too many changes have taken place. The common sense fittings I know may not apply anymore.

So can anyone recommend a ship for fast grinding L4 security missions and if possible cosmic anomalies. It would be great if you can provide a cheap fit L4 mission ship and one's under 1billion isk. Thank you in advance for all your help!


for those ships the common sense fittings haven't changed in years.... Maybe a slight change to the rattler as it got a lot more gank a while back, and drone damage amps might be a new thing? the last 3-4 years are really blended in my head.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#29 - 2015-04-16 05:20:04 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
I tried rattler for few days and my god that was excruciating experience. Don't get me wrong, that ship is probably excellent as L4s grinder but I just couldn't stand missiles travel times. It's not my skills, I have pretty much maxed out all weapon systems and supports for them so no fault here. It was just that fire... wait... wait... snoooooze... boom!

Nightmare is nice but of course it's lazorz so not efficient against all rats. It can tank nicely both with shields and by speed so if you like to move it works fine.

Now I'm using Vargur and I feel like home again. I don't blitz, I clear up everything so it's ideal for me. Reasonable omni tank which with bastion let's me tank every hisec L4 + circa 1000+ dps + damage flexibility = take mission, fly there, drop MTU, kill everything, scoop loot, complete mission. Can't get easier than that in my books.

I was using machariel for almost a year 2 years ago and it was great as long as you don't stop moving. Stationary mach is dead mach. Mach has that nice warp speed advantage so it might be good if you are like me dying a little inside every time you need to warp anything larger than cruiser. And it's now king of blitzing L3s which apparently can get you income comparable to L4s if done right.

And last but not least: ishtar. That's like vargur but with drones and cruiser signature. Again, I have reasonable omni tank with booster so I can just sit next to my sentries and tank almost everything. If incoming dps gets too high I just start to orbit one of my drones with pulsing AB if needed. Sentries push ridiculous dps at all required ranges + they are not affected by rats' e-war so that's nice.

One more thing: all my ships are not cheapest fits that can do the job. They are not all green/blue/purple but they are not cheap. I know you set bar at < 1bil and that's fine for starters but some reasonable bling is needed here and there. And what is reasonable depends on you, my varg had price tag at almost 3bil but amount of fun/hr I get from it made it totally worth investment. My ishtar was 1.3 or 1.5bil and didn't regret buying it even for a moment. Rattler was the only disappointment but it's not the ship or fit, I just have that weird stuff with missiles.


rattler: exact same thoughts. them missiles are so damn slow, add in instant hitting sentry drones and *headache*

Nightmare: does so much damage that type doesn't matter terribly much. yea I'd probably avoid it in minny space where you see a lot of angels. haven't spent enough time in Gal space to know. but in caldari/amarr space it works rather well for most missions. although nice to pair with something else for the stubborn missions. Although with the marauder balance pass I find myself in my paladin, and can't remember the last time I flew a nightmare...

vargur seems decent, but I always end up going back to a mach. thing was over tanked, and deep into stacking penalties on damage/application mods before bastion came out. And its speed/agility just doesn't touch the mach.

Mach, eh I kinda like sitting still, makes it easier on the 1400s. Although brawler AC fits are decent too. I'd say it more like a low dps mach is a dead mach. an xl booster 2x invluns and a cap booster is a lot of tank can deal with nearly anything a mission throws at you, as the rats die to your 1200+ dps in rather short order. oh and WARP SPEED!

Ishtar does some silly things. funny dropping sentries then getting full room aggro and going afk. I don't really count on it (or consider it) an actual mission boat.

as for cost, I wouldn't worry too much about hull cost, pirate ships are really cheap right now. I would worry about fitting costs and keep them under ~500mil. beyond that and you move into the profitable to gank category.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#30 - 2015-04-16 05:51:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
rattler: exact same thoughts. them missiles are so damn slow, add in instant hitting sentry drones and *headache*

Nightmare: does so much damage that type doesn't matter terribly much. yea I'd probably avoid it in minny space where you see a lot of angels. haven't spent enough time in Gal space to know. but in caldari/amarr space it works rather well for most missions. although nice to pair with something else for the stubborn missions. Although with the marauder balance pass I find myself in my paladin, and can't remember the last time I flew a nightmare...

vargur seems decent, but I always end up going back to a mach. thing was over tanked, and deep into stacking penalties on damage/application mods before bastion came out. And its speed/agility just doesn't touch the mach.

Mach, eh I kinda like sitting still, makes it easier on the 1400s. Although brawler AC fits are decent too. I'd say it more like a low dps mach is a dead mach. an xl booster 2x invluns and a cap booster is a lot of tank can deal with nearly anything a mission throws at you, as the rats die to your 1200+ dps in rather short order. oh and WARP SPEED!


Heh, so we think the same about rattler. Especially when you see how efficient sentries alone are on domi or ishtar mixing them with missiles seems like waste of time and time is fun (well, it's money because if there's no fun I'm wasting my RL money).

True about nightmare dps. I run L4s in minnie space and for a week I was flying duo nightmare + ishtar. Let's just say warping around took huge chunk of time comparing to blasting everything inside pockets including heavier missions like extravaganza or blockade or worlds collide.

My vargur has basically 2 tank mods: invul and booster. And of course bastion. Rest is all about damage and application of it. I'm not sure if I would switch back to mach unless I would like to try blitzing L3s.

Regarding mach I don't like arties, too long cycles for my taste :) But yeah, 2 invuls and xl booster with cap booster. After switching from mael it was a blast. Keep moving, facemelting :)

Beauty of it all lies in freedom of choice you really have when your skills allow you to properly fit and fly almost everything. Almost every ship can be used for L4s, some are just more suited for the task then others by slot layout or bonuses or weapon system.

I tend to fly ships that are tanky enough to stand their ground but without sacrificing dps because dps is what makes mission running fun. It's not fun to spend an hour slowly murdering rats in same mission pocket because you can tank god himself but you hit like 2 yo baby. But that comes from skills and from your wallet, when you can afford necessary bling AND your skills will squeeze max performance out of that bling.

And of course bling is not a requirement, it's more like icing on a cake. As you can see from my fits I have few mods raising price tags quite significantly and t2 would be just fine or maybe little more demanding on buttons micromanagement. On the other hand what's the point of having ISK when you don't spend it on what makes Eve fun for you?

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Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-04-16 06:37:34 UTC
@Schmata Bastanold Thank you for the fittings. I am going to check them out in EFT and let's where it takes me :) No worries about the Rattllesnake fit - I am gathering a baseline so it's all good :)

@Schmata Bastanold and Chainsaw Plankton - Thak you for the info. I have decided to go the Nightmare and Rattlesnake way for my purposes since I primarily play in Caldari/Amarr space - I have never ventured into Minny/Gal space before. The Nightmare for melting away all NPC bounties and the Rattlesnake for the dangerous mission like World's Collide. Learning how to use both types of ships with Habringer for Nightmare and Prophecy for Rattlesnake.

Mach's have always been great ships for blasting NPC's and others but I am not that good with Speed tanking - still learning how to do it occasionally with a Rifter and my projectile skills are still pretty basic and can't train them till others like Sentry Drone V are done. I also find it a bit boring watching the slow loading Arty's fire away atleast missiles have some animation to watch while the cycle runs.

Ishtar/Gila are too expensive and I don't have the required level of Drone skill to make them effective yet. On the other hand, Vexor/Domi's are good but for the price of the Domi and a bit more I can get a Rattlesnake so I have skipped that line for now.

I really want to fly the marauders like the Vargur/Paladin and so on - been hearing really good thing about them but sadly I am quite a bit away from them interms of skills required and ISK required. I am putting them down as my long term skill goal after finishing Mastery level 4 for Nightmare, Rattlesnake with Sentry V and T3 cruiser for Caldari/Amarr. Regarding this can you give any input on the ability of T3 HML and HAM Tengu for PvE? -- I heard Tengu got a big nerf.

EDIT: Got great news :) I somehow managed to pickup to 2x Nightmare, 1x Rattlesnake and 1x HML fully fit Tengu for 1.2 bil ISK from a null sec corp player. He had tons of pirate LP, minerals, ships and modules from long term playing in null sec but couldn't ship them snce he was locked down by pirates. I got his most valuable stuff to Jita in my friends Freighter safely and he was nice enough to give this massive discount :) Thank you for your advice everyone. It made me decide and act and it was victory - it's in these moments I feel playing EVE feels awesome :)
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#32 - 2015-04-16 07:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Here's tengu I used for quite a while:

[Tengu, L4]
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II

Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
EM Ward Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II

Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

http://evepraisal.com/e/5660818

Again, little bling but was quite fun to sig/speed tank swarms of rats. I have no idea how it works now after recent changes.

Also, congratz on taking advantage of corpie's troubles and scoring such a good deal out of it :)

And you really shouldn't rush into marauders until you know what you are doing or you really can shrug off few bil loss. Sh!t sometimes happens and even bastioned overtanked beasts die due to RL stuff like disconnects or wife aggro. You can tank rats but try explain to your significant other that you cannot do what she wants because you just popped a trigger and 20 battleships is blasting you into pieces. Yeah, I challenge you to try :)

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Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-04-16 08:05:02 UTC
@Schamata Bastanold - Wow nice fit - not to expensive/blingy like the other fits in the forums - i can afford this since I have a ton of Caldari Navy LP lying around from when grinded my standings. Going to borrow a friends Tengu and see how it works after nerf with this fit. Lol I am not getting into marauders until I have a big ISK net of atleast 10-12 billion and have my Marauder ship master at atleast IV. Not to mention - getting the hang of flying big ships safely without getting nuked by NPC's or ganked by pirates :P

Last Night's Story (Read if you have time :) ) The "null sec player" was not a corpmate (I never try to make profit from guildies) - I met him in the Freight Chat. He was desperately trying to find someone to help move his stuff from his dead end system - it was in a area where you have to pay rent monthly in ISK or ores else get killed and lose station access to your stuff. He was solo grinding that region for nearly 2 years without leaving even once (was really surprised when I heard this) and the local corp sold all consumables needed. He was doing anoms/mining/ratting/exploration/escalations/researching and manufacturing - Felt like he was that grinding protagonist from the "Light Moon Sculptor" light novel.

Even more surprising was that he had nearly 30 Nightmares and Rattlesnakes (other T1, T2 ships from various classes as well) with him - not to mention high end BPO's, BPC's and faction/deadspace modules in 100's to 1000's. He got bad vibes form the local corp so wanted to shift but couldn't since they locked him in. I somehow managed to covertly sneak in and move all his most expensive stuff - BPO's, BPC's and modules - nearly 3/4ths of his total value last night in multiple jumps. Was on edge the whole time since the collateral I would have to pay was too huge to the point I have to quit the game. But it worked out in the end. Once I got him to the nearest safe Hi-sec he gave me the ships for 1/3rd Jita price and the modules for 1/10th Jita price and a 1 billion to top it.

Ofcourse all of it was done in my Main - I never use it to post on forums for safety reasons.
Newt BlackCompany
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2015-04-16 08:16:47 UTC
Proteus is my fav L4 mission ship.
Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-04-16 08:22:40 UTC
@Newt BlackCompany - Proteus is the blaster T3 cruiser right?
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#36 - 2015-04-16 08:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Heh, renters are crazy :)

Good that you found him and managed to help both of you. Beauty of Eve, crazy things happen and sometimes they don't end with ALOD on TMC :)

Regarding your 10-12bil of wallet, it all depends on how much you can handle should sh!t happen. I moved into expensive pve ships when I had my first 1bil from L4s. I made it with mael and bought mach for it. Mach bought me tengu, tengu funded my null episodes. And it snowballed little by little. But that's pve or indy stuff (I have 3 orcas, freighter, tug, fleet of exhumers, haulers, etc.). For pvp I still undock in cheap thrashers because I suck terribly in shooting people :)

I won't deny using PLEX on more than few occasions but that was when I wanted hangar full of pvp ships ASAP. Hell, at some point I had 87 PLEXes in redeeming system from seasonal sales, still have 30 sth to use, nowadays mostly for MCT.

If you find it fun to run missions or whatever else pve related and you will do it efficiently or often enough to pad your wallet shock of throwing 3bil on one ship is not so big. And to be honest if you cannot profit from L4s I have no idea how else you could make ISK in Eve because everything else is just harder (either by pure hardcore of activity or by logistics inolved or by social requirements).

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Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-04-16 09:29:18 UTC
@Schmata Bastanold yeah I am thinking of same progress : Raven - Rattlesnake/Nightmare - HML/HAM Tengu - probably Marauder like Paladin/Barghest if cross training then Vargur.

I am not so good with the mining side - it's fun to mine and hoard but I get ganked too often - lost a few dozen procurers/retrievers even when I was fully concentrated and prepped to bored gankers in hi-sec and null-sec - it just took the fun out of it for me. Also, at that point there were not many good hi-sec mining corporations (good in the sense with boosters, haulers, etc) - the good null/wh ones needed massive SP in mining/production before even accepting application so I left it alone. I found running anoms/exploration to be far more entertaining - especially exploration - it's like a lottery you never what comes out of it.

Regarding PVP - I suck since I have never practiced pvp even once. For some reason I don't like fighting against players in EVE and I panic a lot when I get jumped. Ironic part is I love Pvping in WoW/League of Legends/DOTA and so on.

L4's are pertty good money - especially the bounties and loot/salvage - not to mention the LP and associated rewards due to standings boost. Like you said, earning money in L4's is the easiest and time friendly option in EVE.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#38 - 2015-04-16 10:18:03 UTC
To be honest I never witnessed or was a target of ganking when I was mining with my own little fleet. When I was in lowsec last year with my bros from RIFTA I knew when local flashy reds were going to have gank nights so I spent that times hunting lowsec and exploding stuff. When I went solo again I simply didn't mine near trade hubs and that's all. One or few systems off beaten path and you are done with fear of seeing cats on d-scan or grid. Not to mention less competition grinding your rocks :) On the other hand my skiffs have 100k ehp, not very attractive targets when on d-scan you see all those hulks which are most likely max yield fit.

And pvp is like everything else in Eve. If you don't like it simply don't do it but if you like it keep doing it and you will get better. When I say I suck at it it's not because I didn't have enough opportunities I simply suck and that's all. Doesn't mean I don't or didn't enjoy it, I just can't get any better but that never stopped me. I lost interest and wanted to try out other stuff like mining, production, exploration, whatever. No point in closing yourself to one thing especially when it doesn't gives you enough fun.

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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-04-16 11:09:45 UTC
Selune Starlight wrote:
@Schmata Bastanold yeah I am thinking of same progress : Raven - Rattlesnake/Nightmare - HML/HAM Tengu - probably Marauder like Paladin/Barghest if cross training then Vargur.

I am not so good with the mining side - it's fun to mine and hoard but I get ganked too often - lost a few dozen procurers/retrievers even when I was fully concentrated and prepped to bored gankers in hi-sec and null-sec - it just took the fun out of it for me. Also, at that point there were not many good hi-sec mining corporations (good in the sense with boosters, haulers, etc) - the good null/wh ones needed massive SP in mining/production before even accepting application so I left it alone. I found running anoms/exploration to be far more entertaining - especially exploration - it's like a lottery you never what comes out of it.

Regarding PVP - I suck since I have never practiced pvp even once. For some reason I don't like fighting against players in EVE and I panic a lot when I get jumped. Ironic part is I love Pvping in WoW/League of Legends/DOTA and so on.

L4's are pertty good money - especially the bounties and loot/salvage - not to mention the LP and associated rewards due to standings boost. Like you said, earning money in L4's is the easiest and time friendly option in EVE.



i love pvp in eve, i suck so
reason is im not patient enough and piloting isnt my strongest forte ^^
but regarding the rattle small tip from my part use your drones (sentries) from the small upwards and missiles from the big downwards its abit a headache but works great. other method would be damage the ships with missiles till half armor and send your drones after the rest and switch to the next target.
On the tengu site i only love a ham tengu for the epic arcs which i still run. downside is u r kinetic locked
Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-04-16 11:24:41 UTC
@Schmata Bastanold Well that is true..having a fleet/corp is better since even if we miss something, someone else will notice it. On the other hand low sec exploration is fun. In the end, EVE is a sandbox and pvp is only a small part. I am going to do what I like and see where it leads :)

@Jeanne-Luise Argenau - Thank you for the tips. Same here piloting in EVE is very hard - it's unlike the easy mode with "WASD" controls or Joysticks. I can't seem to get hold of that distance/angle perception so it gets really hard and I don't have the patience to attentively camp a gate for hours on end.
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