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[GMVA] DECLARATION OF OKKAMON BLOCKADE

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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#121 - 2015-04-16 00:45:26 UTC
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
*yawn* have we won yet?


Not until all are free.


Anybody else think this sounds like, "We come for our people"?

Its not very nice to reappropriate somebody else's culture for your own political ends, Soter.


Next he'll be getting all tatted up and burning out the prop mods on his Thrasher...

Well, one of those things for sure anyway.
Aedre Lafisques
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#122 - 2015-04-16 01:03:43 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
That sounds very ambiguous and carefree to me.


Unfortunately it is not. As Vero and Tuulinen - on either side of the fence here I might add - have agreed, the aggression of neutrals is very nearly impossible to avoid. Even with a working policy of leaving neutrals alone it is frequently impossible to do so. This campaign is being run differently, however, and I applaud that clarity.

I don't think most people would consider me very aggressive, and I have a negative sec status myself. I spend what I consider a wasteful amount of time having to bump it back up. Neutrals are very arguably more of a threat than the militias, and there can be quite a bit of mindgames to play on gates to this regard.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#123 - 2015-04-16 01:11:42 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
*yawn* have we won yet?


Not until all are free.


With all due respect, Monsieur Soter...

Freedom forced upon anyone is merely tyranny wearing a different skin.



Oh, don't mind him. Soter has had a savior complex for quite some time. It never seems to strike him that some don't fancy themselves sinners in need of one.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#124 - 2015-04-16 02:41:16 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
Julianus Soter wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
So.....

Hows it going?


Thank you for asking.

Our initial phase of the campaign has destroyed 175 ships, with a total ISK value of 6.53 billion isk. This is roughly 35 ships destroyed per day, or 1.3 billion isk per day. This comes at a loss of 70 ships over the same period, at a loss of 1.62 billion ISK.

This equates to a combat efficiency of 80.07%.

Villore Accords General Staff wishes to remind civilians and capsuleers alike inside the Okkamon system that this operation is scheduled to escalate. Please evacuate the system or otherwise stay out of the fighting. Our goal here is not to kill innocents; but to harm the megacorporations that are facilitating the ongoing war effort of the Chief Executive Panel and the Caldari State.




Tell your lies elsewhere Gallente scum etc etc etc.

The Truth
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#125 - 2015-04-16 03:01:45 UTC
Laney, what is that even supposed to be?

Looks like a completely unrelated battle five days ago in Reitsato to me.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#126 - 2015-04-16 04:20:40 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
So.....

Hows it going?


Thank you for asking.

Our initial phase of the campaign has destroyed 175 ships, with a total ISK value of 6.53 billion isk. This is roughly 35 ships destroyed per day, or 1.3 billion isk per day. This comes at a loss of 70 ships over the same period, at a loss of 1.62 billion ISK.

This equates to a combat efficiency of 80.07%.

Villore Accords General Staff wishes to remind civilians and capsuleers alike inside the Okkamon system that this operation is scheduled to escalate. Please evacuate the system or otherwise stay out of the fighting. Our goal here is not to kill innocents; but to harm the megacorporations that are facilitating the ongoing war effort of the Chief Executive Panel and the Caldari State.




Tell your lies elsewhere Gallente scum etc etc etc,

Edit: error 404: Kill board not found.

Dude. You know you can't do that. You'll bring down the wrath of my minions, who I set to auto-aggress any who break my laws.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#127 - 2015-04-16 05:58:23 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Laney, what is that even supposed to be?

Looks like a completely unrelated battle five days ago in Reitsato to me.



It was related when you thought the stats were in your favor.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#128 - 2015-04-16 10:08:41 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
*yawn* have we won yet?


Not until all are free.

If Soter wants to be "free", then get a damn shuttle, warp to any planet with indigenous life, leave all your posessions and clothes behind in the shuttle, blow it up, and run to the woods naked, to live with animals like an animal, FREE.

Meanwhile we are here fight for humanity and civilization against your savagery. If you want to go free and become another filthy animal, please go ahead and do so. But while you try to enforce your ideal of savagery into others, you will be stopped by our bullets.

And have a nice jam.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#129 - 2015-04-16 13:02:33 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Laney, what is that even supposed to be?

Looks like a completely unrelated battle five days ago in Reitsato to me.



It was related when you thought the stats were in your favor.




No, but seriously that BR just shows random nonsense in Reitsato to me. I don't get it.
Viron Tash-Murkon
Doomheim
#130 - 2015-04-16 17:47:36 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
This will end well....


Sombody grab the popcorn.


Glad I grabbed some earlier.

*hands over a bowl of popcorn*

For some reason I keep picturing someone sitting inside one of the Stations hiding out and Station Trading. Oh wait, that's me hehehehehe.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#131 - 2015-04-16 17:49:59 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
*yawn* have we won yet?


Not until all are free.

If Soter wants to be "free", then get a damn shuttle, warp to any planet with indigenous life, leave all your posessions and clothes behind in the shuttle, blow it up, and run to the woods naked, to live with animals like an animal, FREE.

Meanwhile we are here fight for humanity and civilization against your savagery. If you want to go free and become another filthy animal, please go ahead and do so. But while you try to enforce your ideal of savagery into others, you will be stopped by our bullets.

And have a nice jam.

One again, Kimmy completely misses the concept of Gallente freedom.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#132 - 2015-04-16 20:36:44 UTC
Aedre Lafisques wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
That sounds very ambiguous and carefree to me.


Unfortunately it is not. As Vero and Tuulinen - on either side of the fence here I might add - have agreed, the aggression of neutrals is very nearly impossible to avoid. Even with a working policy of leaving neutrals alone it is frequently impossible to do so. This campaign is being run differently, however, and I applaud that clarity.

I don't think most people would consider me very aggressive, and I have a negative sec status myself. I spend what I consider a wasteful amount of time having to bump it back up. Neutrals are very arguably more of a threat than the militias, and there can be quite a bit of mindgames to play on gates to this regard.


The aggression of neutrals is not the point... I have taken part into that militia business for several years and I am well aware of all the situations that can happen.

All I am saying is that stating that there is no general rule and that appreciation is left to every fleet commander is indeed, ambiguous, and eventually lead to unconscious and sloppy policies.

I have always played by the rules (NRDS) and handled every situation perfectly fine. Some other groups like PIE Inc are a testimony to the validity of those policies. I still think humbly that doing otherwise by eluding the question is done only by disregard towards those issues, and sometimes, a certain willingness to actually get kills to conform to the capsuleer society where killboards are the only currency.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#133 - 2015-04-16 20:55:36 UTC
It may be alright for your average nation-state sponsored security task-force to take it easy and put their feet up but here, in the corporate sector, people expect results. The warzone divides people neatly down the middle along the axis of those who do unto others and those who are done unto.

Personally speaking, I don't see why I should risk my crew and kirjuun by allowing a neutral flagged party to make the decision on whether an engagement is happening or not. It's a warzone, if you're not part of the war then stay out.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#134 - 2015-04-16 22:08:50 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
*yawn* have we won yet?


Not until all are free.

If Soter wants to be "free", then get a damn shuttle, warp to any planet with indigenous life, leave all your posessions and clothes behind in the shuttle, blow it up, and run to the woods naked, to live with animals like an animal, FREE.

Meanwhile we are here fight for humanity and civilization against your savagery. If you want to go free and become another filthy animal, please go ahead and do so. But while you try to enforce your ideal of savagery into others, you will be stopped by our bullets.

And have a nice jam.

One again, Kimmy completely misses the concept of Gallente freedom.

I was talking about universal freedom, not your gallentish "concepts".
But, looking at gallente actions you could simply derive a formula for gallentean form of... "freedom", which would be something like that: "What gallentean can do, is not allowed to others"

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#135 - 2015-04-16 22:13:06 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

I was talking about universal freedom, not your gallentish "concepts".
But, looking at gallente actions you could simply derive a formula for gallentean form of... "freedom", which would be something like that: "What gallentean can do, is not allowed to others"

Not true, it's allowed to everyone. That's kind of the whole idea behind our philosophy.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#136 - 2015-04-16 22:53:36 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

I have always played by the rules (NRDS) and handled every situation perfectly fine. Some other groups like PIE Inc are a testimony to the validity of those policies. I still think humbly that doing otherwise by eluding the question is done only by disregard towards those issues, and sometimes, a certain willingness to actually get kills to conform to the capsuleer society where killboards are the only currency.


Personally speaking I would say ISK is the only currency worth a damn and killboards remain simply a statistical metric. However I certainly don't populate my own killboard for the simple pursuit of mere statistics and kill-to-death ratios. The pleasure of the pursuit and chase, the combat itself, the struggle followed by triumph or defeat these are reasons enough to engage in acts of violence for me. Killboard statistics ticking over in some DED database are simply the end-results but never the end-goal.



Kurilaivonen|Concern

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#137 - 2015-04-17 08:52:16 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Personally speaking, I don't see why I should risk my crew and kirjuun by allowing a neutral flagged party to make the decision on whether an engagement is happening or not. It's a warzone, if you're not part of the war then stay out.


That is nonsensical to me. You are supposed to always be prepared and consider any neutral a potential hostile. If that neutral takes offensive action, and you get caught, then the mistake is on you only.
Renee Chanlin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2015-04-17 09:14:21 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Desiderya wrote:
Well, Soter, wouldn't this be relevant if your job wasn't already fighting over systems in the warzone?
Furthermore, if you declare a system in a warzone you're already fighting in a warzone again. Is it more of a warzone than before or does it counter each other out somehow?

Yo dawg, we heard you like warzones, so we put a warzone in your warzone so you can be in the warzone while your in the warzone.


rofl
Renee Chanlin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2015-04-17 09:18:20 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Obviously, this announcement was a move of tactical brilliance. By declaring an invasion of Okkamon, then immediately not invading Okkamon and attacking Reitsato instead, the GalFed have shown their mastery of misinformation and subterfuge!

Who could have foreseen such a stroke of genius?!


OMG they're onto us!!!
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#140 - 2015-04-17 09:29:08 UTC
What Gallanteans lack in technology, they compensate with blind rage, war and killings.

I am not surprised.