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Is there only one way to play this game now?

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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#121 - 2015-04-16 01:01:49 UTC
Asura Vajrarupa wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Also: lol at "not caring" about something you don't know.
There have been many groups to come and go in my time playing online games.


I remember when Hulkageddon was ruining EVE and what's her name running it was the legitimate devil.



I thought there was an undeclared Hulkageddon on at all times? Or is that now a Smack-a-Mack-ageddon?
Zealous Miner
Doomheim
#122 - 2015-04-16 02:28:08 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
And when you run away from the alliance tournament and get permanently banned from it, you spin that as winning too.

I'm afraid you are mistaken. CODE. won the Alliance Tournament before the first round even started. That's how great they are at what they do.
Vic Jefferson wrote:
This is why your talk is cheap.

You know what isn't cheap? The illegal ships and cargo that get bumped, blown up and looted on a daily basis by the New Order.

Happy to clear that up for you. Sorry for any confusion you may have had!Smile

Fedo. Fedo? Fedo!

Rastafarian God
#123 - 2015-04-16 05:28:07 UTC
I will admit that code can do some pretty impressive stupid stuff when they put there mind to it. Problem is that I agree with the OP on the side that a lot of times it's just "stupid stuff".

Being that this is a sandbox, its not a bad thing. You need that. But at the same time it can be annoying to people... wich just means they are doing there job. Ive always been conflicted with code. I really like how they started with the anti botting thing, but just think "meh" when they suigank a freighter in highsec. If they stuck with what they started as I might even want to join them, but at the same time, the frivolous highsec gank pirating goes against what they are supposed to stand for.

I do get it, having to watch out for them adds to the game, dont get me wrong. It just feels like they are getting bored and wandering on there ideals. Like every other person or corp in the game.. so I cant blame them, but Ide like to see someone stick to there guns for once.

Gerhard Stringfellow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2015-04-16 05:52:26 UTC
I'm the opposite, the more I see of CODE the more I think they're actually doing positive for Hi-sec in showing some of the lazier carebears that the threat of being attacked in EvE is real. I was skeptical at first, but now I'm more supportive of their vision for hi-sec and how they want to see things run.

Another pubbie elite PvE pay to win mining carebear

Black Pedro
Mine.
#125 - 2015-04-16 06:03:06 UTC
Rastafarian God wrote:
I will admit that code can do some pretty impressive stupid stuff when they put there mind to it. Problem is that I agree with the OP on the side that a lot of times it's just "stupid stuff".

Being that this is a sandbox, its not a bad thing. You need that. But at the same time it can be annoying to people... wich just means they are doing there job. Ive always been conflicted with code. I really like how they started with the anti botting thing, but just think "meh" when they suigank a freighter in highsec. If they stuck with what they started as I might even want to join them, but at the same time, the frivolous highsec gank pirating goes against what they are supposed to stand for.

I do get it, having to watch out for them adds to the game, dont get me wrong. It just feels like they are getting bored and wandering on there ideals. Like every other person or corp in the game.. so I cant blame them, but Ide like to see someone stick to there guns for once.

AFK freighter hauling, while not as bad as actual botting, is a pretty isolating thing. Without the hard-working freighter gank squads, there would be zero risk to them and you would have no game play left at all, just people moving billions of ISK completely safely while eating dinner in the other room. AFK haulers need a villain even more than highsec miners do to help them engage with the game and bring them back into the vibrant universe that is New Eden.

The New Order is not just CODE. or freighter gankers. Most of us still target miners (even CODE. itself), and believe me, contrary to what Team Security might like to claim, CCP does not have their botting problem under control. After a while you get a feel of what is normal human (or AFK) behaviour and what miners are controlled by bots. Some nights I am pretty sure I gank more bots than not. CCP really needs to fix this.




Rastafarian God
#126 - 2015-04-16 06:08:33 UTC
For me. Any group of people can find an expensive freighter in highsec with cargo scanners. Then have a bunch of gank alts in catty's blow it up while out of corp alts scoop the wreck to make money.

It makes you some serious isk and thats why people do it. You stole a month or two from someone that worked hard for it. While I have no real issue with that because this is EVE after all. Don't pretend to stand behind some form of honor code. You are just a bunch of highsec gank pirates and that is all. You can not do that and say that you have some form of purpose besides that. That is why I can not take code serious.

Ocih
Space Mermaids
#127 - 2015-04-16 06:11:24 UTC
There was always, only one way to play EVE Online. The way you want and **** anyone who doesn't like it.
Rastafarian God
#128 - 2015-04-16 06:12:02 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Rastafarian God wrote:
I will admit that code can do some pretty impressive stupid stuff when they put there mind to it. Problem is that I agree with the OP on the side that a lot of times it's just "stupid stuff".

Being that this is a sandbox, its not a bad thing. You need that. But at the same time it can be annoying to people... wich just means they are doing there job. Ive always been conflicted with code. I really like how they started with the anti botting thing, but just think "meh" when they suigank a freighter in highsec. If they stuck with what they started as I might even want to join them, but at the same time, the frivolous highsec gank pirating goes against what they are supposed to stand for.

I do get it, having to watch out for them adds to the game, dont get me wrong. It just feels like they are getting bored and wandering on there ideals. Like every other person or corp in the game.. so I cant blame them, but Ide like to see someone stick to there guns for once.

AFK freighter hauling, while not as bad as actual botting, is a pretty isolating thing. Without the hard-working freighter gank squads, there would be zero risk to them and you would have no game play left at all, just people moving billions of ISK completely safely while eating dinner in the other room. AFK haulers need a villain even more than highsec miners do to help them engage with the game and bring them back into the vibrant universe that is New Eden.

The New Order is not just CODE. or freighter gankers. Most of us still target miners (even CODE. itself), and believe me, contrary to what Team Security might like to claim, CCP does not have their botting problem under control. After a while you get a feel of what is normal human (or AFK) behaviour and what miners are controlled by bots. Some nights I am pretty sure I gank more bots than not. CCP really needs to fix this.







Trust me I get his. But im kind of tired of when a group of people say they are doing one thing while they really are doing another. Ive been playing long enough to know the difference and Im sure you have as well. Some of these attacks are obviousley for the contents of the hold.

Again.. dont get me wrong... this is EVE and I get that.. but for christs sakes dont tell everyone you are doing them a favor.
Rastafarian God
#129 - 2015-04-16 06:22:52 UTC
On a side note. While AP hauling is a really stupid thing to do. It doesn't hurt the game. If you attack these people the only benefit is your wallet. So again.. please explain to me how you are helping the game.. You are not. You are just making ISK. IF you admit to being a highsec pirate then fine.. but dont try to fill me full of crap.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#130 - 2015-04-16 06:24:47 UTC
Rastafarian God wrote:
Trust me I get his. But im kind of tired of when a group of people say they are doing one thing while they really are doing another. Ive been playing long enough to know the difference and Im sure you have as well. Some of these attacks are obviousley for the contents of the hold.

Again.. dont get me wrong... this is EVE and I get that.. but for christs sakes dont tell everyone you are doing them a favor.

Of course. Taloses and Catalysts don't grow on trees. I also will take a faction-fitted mining ship over a T2-fitted one given the choice. That is a good thing as it discourages blinging out ships, or overloading haulers. Would you prefer that the New Order just gank freighters blindly regardless of contents? That doesn't help encourage responsible hauling behaviour.

The New Order enforces the risk that CCP intends to exist in highsec. That is doing everyone a favour by making fitting choices and behaviour meaningful even if that enforcement is induced in some cases by potential loot drops.
Rastafarian God
#131 - 2015-04-16 06:32:45 UTC
I do understand what you are saying. Believe it or not I welcome anything that makes people think before they do things iin EVE. The problem is that while you loose ships to concord.. they payout will be more. Either that or the LOLS of doing it will be worth the loss. Ide rather that they ganked every AP-ing freighter they can rather then choosing targets. at least that would make some form of sense.

Code IS NOT for the better good anymore. They are just amusing themselves. Wich is completely fine, Im not a whiner and I Play EVE because these types of things exist. But it does agitate me when people do something and PUBLIC ALLY state that it is for a different reason. Those of us that know EVE know better. Just admit what you are and stop hiding behind a lie.

Thats all I ask.. Just admit that you are being a **** for fun and I'm fine with that.

Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#132 - 2015-04-16 06:39:27 UTC
There are numerous counter-tactics & strategies that you can deploy to reduce or near eliminate the loss of your ship to a suicide gank. They are mostly well known though to those with some common sense and I'm not going to discuss them here.

Large groups of 'AFK' miners are an annoyance to a lot of pilots not least to other miners. When you get some **deleted** in a Leopard going around looking for high sec grav sites and then find a horde of 'AFK' miners landing in 'your' site it isn't amusing. The changes to ISBoxer/third party software have gone some way to eliminating the problem and cheers to CCP for doing that. But some of these guys are still doing the rounds.

You're probably not one of those guys but I threw that in here anyway. Smile
Rastafarian God
#133 - 2015-04-16 06:45:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rastafarian God
On a side note... I had a friend loose two MONTHS worth of ice mining work to a freighter suigank squad. He was also hauling a lot of stuff my friends mined. I hoever never gave him anything and still have what I mined. Because I know these things can happen. Im a smart player. I am being cautions and my friend is the exact person you speak of. I told him but it still happened. He's pissed now but I get it.

I also move things via freighter some times but never like that.. I never AP and I never haul more then the ship is worth assuming siad ship is a common target. IF someone ganks me, its just by chance and they are being dicks. So I do get the whole thing. But if you are going to say you are making the game better as a whole... then do it...dont use it as an accuse to do random crap.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2015-04-16 07:20:32 UTC
You can AFK mine all day in a procurer or a skiff.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#135 - 2015-04-16 07:42:01 UTC
Rastafarian God wrote:
Code IS NOT for the better good anymore. They are just amusing themselves. Wich is completely fine, Im not a whiner and I Play EVE because these types of things exist. But it does agitate me when people do something and PUBLIC ALLY state that it is for a different reason. Those of us that know EVE know better. Just admit what you are and stop hiding behind a lie.

Thats all I ask.. Just admit that you are being a **** for fun and I'm fine with that.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I enjoy enforcing the New Halaima Code of Conduct. This is a video game I play voluntarily so of course I have fun blowing up miners, haulers and autopiloters up in highsec. I get a sense of satisfaction enforcing the risk vs. reward design of the game, and a sense of accomplishment after finding a target, managing a perfect warp-in, and successfully pulling off the gank before CONCORD or some white knights get the drop on me.

Further I get to regularly enjoy pretty explosions and the satisfaction of defeating another player in a PvP contest, and occasionally get the thrill of a big kill or loot drop out. There is nothing like finding 3B worth of implants in the head of a simple Retriever pilot, or some God-awfully expensive BPO in some industrial you ganked. It's also fun when they come back after you looking for revenge - even if most attempts are unsuccessful, I don't begrudge the few that catch me or force me to move/give up for the day. That's part of the job.

This is all entertaining and very much in the spirit of what the developers intended when they designed suicide ganking as a mechanic in highsec. Ganking also can be done solo or I can group up for bigger game making it a great occupation for someone who likes to maintain their independence or who has a strange play schedule.

Sometimes you get tears which can be entertaining, but usually if someone gets mad you just get vile abuse which quickly gets old. But making people upset is not the major point of playing the villain in highsec for me. I am just playing the game as intended and in a way I happen to find fun.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#136 - 2015-04-16 08:02:27 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Edward Gibbon wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
There are asteroids outside of high sec, they're about to get a lot better too.



Very true, and I make a good profit from them too. But there's also great asteroids in 0.7 space where I can leave some drones to protect me from rats while I spend half an hour in the back yard with the kids trying to catch butterflys :)


afk anything in space will get you shot, most corps will shoot their own pilots that are afk in space to avoid the enemy getting the kill.

man your kids come first and always first, but you are not playing the game when you're not at the keyboard. if it wasn't code someone else would have noticed hmmmm afk miner,, will i Rollwon't iRoll

the community isn't making you play the game in a certain way,, RL is.
we all face this at some stage, who hasn't heard a corp mates TS background of screaming kids lol.
change the way you're doing things man, but don't try to blame the game.
it's like saying i got this new car last week and i was driving it to work, i got a phone call from my kids so i answered the phone.
i got into the back seat of the car and was loving my chat with the kids when bang!
car totalled,,,, so off you go to complain that there must be something wrong with the car.

i see nothing wrong here,, you took a risk to get reward and it didn't work out. welcome to EVE.
hey your here years,, you know all this,,, right ??

only advice i can give you is don't fly afk. but i bet everyone who reads your post will think that, ill even bet that you know this Blink
and said it to yourself when ya got back to your keyboard.
Mikael Menethil
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2015-04-16 08:43:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikael Menethil
Come to Elite Dangerous.
CODE is here too, but we eat them for dinner in actual dogfights.

It's mighty glorious when actual aiming and moving skills are involved.

I still get my EVE vaccine from time to time, but the fun is in ED.

LE: problem is you can't afk mine. Then again, mining here is way faster.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2015-04-16 08:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
OP, biomass!

Oh wait... Roll


EDIT: 7/10 becuase this made me laugh:
Edward Gibbon wrote:
in 0.7 space where I can leave some drones to protect me from rats while I spend half an hour in the back yard with the kids trying to catch butterflys :)
Also, inb4 gankers declaring they're not only protecting asteroids but poor defenceless butterflies as well.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Brutus Utama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#139 - 2015-04-16 11:36:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Brutus Utama
Still thinks its sad that they think they are great for killing undefended ships....

kinda pushing new players away people talk about how eve is dying but the reason it will die is a large part to ridiculous children who attack newbies... i got a few friends to start playing... new char low sp so they start to mine to make a little isk up whilst they gain some skills.... nope some gankers come in and repeatably shoot their little mining frigs.... log out they never came back....

if a new player gets ganked enough they stop playing yes it is a sandbox game but this kinda thing is sad really doesnt do much except ruin the game for new players or older players who still mine in high sec. (should know better)

why doesnt code go and take some Sov if they are all high and mighty? or is it because the current owners would actually rek them because you know they actually use combat ships.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2015-04-16 11:41:53 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
Still thinks its sad that they think they are great for killing undefended ships....

kinda pushing new players away people talk about how eve is dying but the reason it will die is a large part to ridiculous children who attack newbies... i got a few friends to start playing... new char low sp so they start to mine to make a little isk up whilst they gain some skills.... nope some gankers come in and repeatably shoot their little mining frigs.... log out they never came back....

if a new player gets ganked enough they stop playing yes it is a sandbox game but this kinda thing is sad really doesnt do much except ruin the game for new players or older players who still mine in high sec. (should know better)

why doesnt code go and take some Sov if they are all high and mighty? or is it because the current owners would actually rek them because you know they actually use combat ships.
You had your friends '...mine... while they gain some skills...' ?!?!?!

Congratulations, you just cost CCP a couple of new subscriptions.

It's kinda sad that you really don't do much except ruin the game for new players.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!