Player Features and Ideas Discussion

hey why not remove rigs from ships with subsystems

let the subsystems be your entire customizability


now they suddenly don't have battleship buffer and t2 resists
now you can't stack locus rigs with the 20% optimal bonus tengu

buff their base stats slightly to compensate

thx ill accept my cheque by post

[i guess you could start by just removing 1 rig to knock their ehp down by 20%]

Good god this is a brilliant balance suggestion +1 all the way

Crossposting from this thread:

I am not sure if this is the place but I want to drop some ideas for the upcoming t3 rebalance.

I strongly suggest our CSM take initiative and get some sort of semi-official discussion going (maybe create a thread in Features & Ideas Disussion and have it stickied) before CCP goes all solo on this matter. I think many will agree that the Recon rebalance failed so utterly because a single Dev felt like reinventing himself ... leaving a significant portion of players unhappy and disappointed.

FIrst, what I think might be current issues with t3:

• many believe t3 are or should be flexible. However, they are not (really). Rather than changing subs and fittings people tend to opt for a second, third or fourth version of the same ship in order to assume different roles. This is due to rigs but also refitting things being a pain in the ass. Which brings me to the next two points:
• Rigs probably need to go and some of their stats incorporated into the hull / subsystems
• t3 are too cheap. Lately, prices have gone up, but ~500m for a t2 fitted strategic cruisers is still low given how powerful they can be
• Skill point loss is not necessarily a bad thing, but should def. be discussed since it's an important factor in t3 balancing.

Now, my vision of t3 is sort of a blend of current d3 and t3 features. This means, subsystems are staying, however, t3 also get more flexibility by way of a mechanism that enables t3 to quickly change their abilities. Rather than predefined modes (as with d3) strategic cruisers would have the ability to swap their fitting (NOT subsystems, only mods) on a whim. E.g. a t3 could have up to 3 profiles that can be fitted differently and swapped by pushing a single button.

Points for discussion go into bulled points, because lazy

• Technical feasibility (rather a question for CCP). Fittings are probably associated 1:1 to a hull, so things would need to be changed in the backend to allow for multiple fittings per ship. Shouldn't be too complicated to get some abstraction layer between hull and ship, yet who knows ... it might be interfering with the POS code or something -.-
• One would need to discuss when and where a t3 would be allowed to swap profile (e.g. everywhere? or maybe just when docked or in refitting range of an SMA),whether or not a swap would be instantaneous and the duration of a cooldown
• One could also discuss whether or not t3 hulls should be usable without any subsystems whatsoever, with subsystems being optional boni providing things. In such a case it could be interesting to use multiple subsystems from the same category: e.g. to create a legion that can use a covert cloak, missiles, bonused neuts and bonused probes. This would obviously screw with the current ship/subsystem models, but I guess CCP is going to somehow consolidate them anyway or they would have made a statement on this matter when releasing PBR.

Again, these are just some ideas from the top of my head which (might be really bad and) would require some serious changes for t3 base stats and subsystems boni. I know there is a huge crowd that would rather not see any changes to t3 at all, but they will come ...

I hope that corbexx & co. will lead some discussion on this topic before CCP takes it into their own hands (provided that process hasn't already started).

gr8 b8 m8. I r8 8/8.

Seriously, been posted and beaten to death in the various previous official t3 balance threads, and previous player t3 threads, as well as a buncha off topic posts in other threads.

Well, you have to spam till **** is fixed, otherwise /ishtar

Guy apparently flies T3 so much, that he even forgot that scan res/sig/sensor str/med/low/high slot count/captotal/caprech/etc/etc/etc/etc is sub-system specific.

The year after Ishtar fix probably, which itself is after capital rebalance.

What year is that again?

i'm not trolling m8 i think this is a good way to go

if my demeanour offends i apologise

What happens to t2 rigged scanning tengus though, rip?

CCP Capqu. When?