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Vargur direly needs a pg buff, in fact all mauraders should get buffed
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Heisenburg Certainty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-25 21:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Heisenburg Certainty
Why do the vargur and golem suck so terribly? shouldn't a factions t2 bs be one of the best pve ships in the game? they need more skills than a faction bs for the same price it only makes sense right?

Arty and range is the preferred fit for high end pve, as tanking a sanc is almost impossible solo up close with autocannons, the highest dps mach fit is 4 rf gyros a t2 burst accel and 1400's, if you fit ac's youd have to give up the gyros or rig for tank

to fit arty on a vargur is almost impossible, with the CA 1 and 2 set (2.25% pg i believe?) and a 5% powergrid implant this is my vargur fit:

1400mm republic fleet artillaryx4 (sacrificing a little dps for the less powergrid)
dark blood reactor control unit( .5% more pg than the t2 varient the mauraders need the skills for(energy upgrades V))
rf gyrostabizerx4
large ancilary current router x1
large projectile burst accel II x1
medium 'gattote' capacitor boosterx1(even with the implants not even the pg left over for a t2 medim...on a bs...)
100mn digital analog boosters (not enough pg for 100mn afterburner, might as well a mwd)
dread guristas x-large shield booster x1
tracking computerx2
invulnribility fieldx1
salvage,t2 tractor, drone control range in other 3 highs

This is probably the highest dps arty varg that can solo sancs, and still comes no where near a machs dps(this is around 900-1k compared to machs 1200 with similiar fit)

really? with faction 1400's and every powergrid implant i can possibly put in(not including the 6% obv not reasonable) i can't fit a t2 medium cap booster and 100mn afterburner? like wtf, there should be incentive to train for the harder skills needed for a vargur, i get that they need energy upgrades 5 and you want us to fit a reactor control, but even with one the pg still sucks, give us incentive to go after our factions t2 bs seriously...every1 knows vargur is a joke and lolvargur is common

*edit* forgot to mention that even with all pg implants and skills(only pg skill left would be projectile rigging V), which btw fleet 1400s use less pg than t2 even with the burst rig) the faction reactor control, and storyline MEDIUM cap boost and afterbuner i have 3.6 powergrid left...
Goose99
#2 - 2011-12-25 21:37:58 UTC
Vargur is the last marauder when it comes to needing buff. Fit ACs. You fail. Biomass yourself.Smile
Heisenburg Certainty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-25 21:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Heisenburg Certainty
pfft for your carebear lvl 4's or phail hubs i would, for maximizing ticks in sancs or soloing 6-9/10s you need arty, can do them with multiple people in the site but then your cutting your ticks/loot in half making it well not worth it

*edit* btw your wrong, ive seen golems make 30 mil ticks, no way in hell a vargur ever could
Goose99
#4 - 2011-12-25 22:05:10 UTC
Heisenburg Certainty wrote:
pfft for your carebear lvl 4's or phail hubs i would, for maximizing ticks in sancs or soloing 6-9/10s you need arty, can do them with multiple people in the site but then your cutting your ticks/loot in half making it well not worth it

*edit* btw your wrong, ive seen golems make 30 mil ticks, no way in hell a vargur ever could


AC pwns all, 1400s are for blobs. And Thanny for sanctums. You fail at carebearing.Bear
Heisenburg Certainty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-25 22:12:06 UTC
yea you make a 30 mil tick in a thanny in sancs, ss it for me cuz im fairly certain its impossile
Heisenburg Certainty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-25 22:26:38 UTC
or while your at it get me a vid of you soloing a 9/10 with ac...ill pay you a bil for it...you obviously don't know what your talking about a thanny can most definatly not out tick a mach, mare, baddon, geddon, or even an oracle for that matter...biomass yourself
tankus2
HeartVenom Inc.
#7 - 2011-12-25 22:29:13 UTC
the last marauder that needs a buff is the golem, as it has both 'best tank' and 'best dps' of the marauders, with the paladin being a very solid second. The Kronos could use some help, but yes the Vargur needs some powergrid lovin, which would be the end of its worries.

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Bl4ck Ph03n1x
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-12-25 22:39:59 UTC
+1. Seriously. Harder to fit than it's T1 variant.

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Jask Avan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-12-25 22:50:27 UTC
Marauders in general suck. At best they're marginally better than a Faction BS. At worst they fail to be even that good. At huge cost and massive skill req, no less.
Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
#10 - 2011-12-25 23:02:37 UTC
Tech II ships are meant to be specialized. Just look at AFs, HACs, ect.. The vargur is an AC ship. Just like the Pali is a Tach ship. And the Golem a torp ship. I would much rather see new marauders meant for fitting other weapon systems.

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Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#11 - 2011-12-26 00:54:33 UTC
Omg dude...

The golem is -the- best pve ship in eve atm.

The vargur is closely behind.

Compare it to the kronos and paladin that are only good for certain kinds of rats...

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Vrykolakasis
Sparrowhawks Corp
#12 - 2011-12-26 03:04:45 UTC
Marauders are great - I prefer one over pirate faction BS, but I personally agree that they could be improved a little, based on the skill requirements I feel that a buff would be nice.

Proposed changes:

25% PG bonus on the Vargur (or a 5% per skill level bonus) - enough to fit a set of 1400mm Howitzer IIs without a PG mod, although the fit will still be nice and close. It should be *better* fit with AC.

15% (or 3% per skill level) bonus to range on Kronos.

I do have some issue with the sensors (scan res/sensor strength) on marauders - sensor strength makes sense, to keep the ships in PvE role, but a higher scan res would increase marauder's usefulness in Incursions, which is sort of the "upper middle class" of PvE at the moment. I'd like to see a lot of marauders in there.
Heisenburg Certainty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-12-26 04:11:24 UTC
Dr Karsun wrote:
Omg dude...

The golem is -the- best pve ship in eve atm.

The vargur is closely behind.

Compare it to the kronos and paladin that are only good for certain kinds of rats...


LOL you obviously don't know what your talking about, neither of them are close to the best pve ship, maybe in lvl 4s but gtfo of high sec for once, in null sec golem is still ok it can tick up to 30 with torps but hard on tank, oracle can tick 31-32 on blood rats with tachs and paper tank its op, mach can tick 30 on angel 26 on blood due to explosive dmg in emp ammo, geddon can tick 28 on blood, baddon 25ish vargur can barely tick over 20 no matter how you slice it, palidan can tick 28-30 while still holding a beast tank, blame amarr lasers that its only on certain rats, vargur and kronos suxz

imo mach is best pve ship on angel
mare/navy geddon/oracle(unfortunately) on blood about the same, oracle with **** tank but with tachs w/e
golem is decent for any rats but torps are hard to use in sancs/6-9/10s solo

vargur is just kind of cruddy, full t2 1400's 4x rf gyros and a t2 burst accel and it can hold its own but it can't fit the powergrid to do that, thus this post
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#14 - 2011-12-26 11:30:37 UTC
Heisenburg Certainty wrote:
Dr Karsun wrote:
Omg dude...

The golem is -the- best pve ship in eve atm.

The vargur is closely behind.

Compare it to the kronos and paladin that are only good for certain kinds of rats...


LOL you obviously don't know what your talking about, neither of them are close to the best pve ship, maybe in lvl 4s but gtfo of high sec for once, in null sec golem is still ok it can tick up to 30 with torps but hard on tank, oracle can tick 31-32 on blood rats with tachs and paper tank its op, mach can tick 30 on angel 26 on blood due to explosive dmg in emp ammo, geddon can tick 28 on blood, baddon 25ish vargur can barely tick over 20 no matter how you slice it, palidan can tick 28-30 while still holding a beast tank, blame amarr lasers that its only on certain rats, vargur and kronos suxz

imo mach is best pve ship on angel
mare/navy geddon/oracle(unfortunately) on blood about the same, oracle with **** tank but with tachs w/e
golem is decent for any rats but torps are hard to use in sancs/6-9/10s solo

vargur is just kind of cruddy, full t2 1400's 4x rf gyros and a t2 burst accel and it can hold its own but it can't fit the powergrid to do that, thus this post


Sure, you can also say that the vindicator totally rocks against serpentis (because it does). This still doesn't change the fact, that the golem is the best hub & haven solo running ship all-round. It's versitile, it's good for all kinds of rats, while the oracle does good damage only vs blood raiders and sanshas.

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Jask Avan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-12-26 17:40:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jask Avan
Having to slowboat for 40-60km to get into range whenever rats start at 100-120 doesn't make a good ship imo.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-12-26 17:51:23 UTC
on a related note:
I am just grinding standing with another research corporation. I want to rush the missions as fast as possible, but it hurts to leave all that loot and salvage behind.
So I had an idea: what about the addition of a Cruiser or BC-sized marauder? same boni as marauders (maybe a little weaker resistances) but ideally suited to rush through lelvel 1-3 missions quickly and efficient?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.