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Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#61 - 2015-04-14 21:45:00 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Here is what you do. Get a jumpclone with no implants whatsoever. Then fit a procurer with T1 everything but fit a damage control 2 and a reinforced bulkhead in the low slots, with some shield modules in mid.


It's going to be more effort to gank you then it's worth, and even if they do bother it wont repeat if they don't find it worth it.

How do you make it not worth it to them? First off don't even respond to them, and sure as hell don't give protection money as that paints "gullible" on your back and they will just gank you anyways then make up some silly rule you broke, like undertanked shuttle. Having that fit above makes the gank almost not worthwhile of the loot (that might not even drop), but some people don't care about isk anyways, so not giving them any convo or response after the gank leaves them pretty much no reason to return and they may as well go gank a retriever instead in search of supply for their sadistic tendencies.


Worst advice ever!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#62 - 2015-04-14 21:57:08 UTC
Bat Country would like to thank high sec for the Basilisk BPO we got today, our second T2 BPO in as many days.
Afrigael Hax
Doomheim
#63 - 2015-04-14 22:57:23 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
[quote=Edward Gibbon]
If your only interest in Eve is mining AFK, then perhaps you should consider spending your time and entertainment budget doing something a little more aligned with your desires than playing in a open-world, single-universe PvP game solely as a prey item.


that's an extremely well said and unavoidable point, I do the afk mining thing..unavoidable sometimes when you have a small toddler and a disabled wife .. but you're right ..even if I don't like it ... that is the truth of it
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#64 - 2015-04-14 23:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I've been playing since 2009, and living in hisec past 3 years, and I've never had an incident with CODE.

I rarely even see them, except in local sometimes when travelling.

Which makes me wonder what OP is doing to enable CODE. to bother him.


Some of my mining tips (no, I don't have a "license"):
How to mine with a bullseye on your back
Suicide ganks
Need help with starting the game.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#65 - 2015-04-14 23:23:30 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Dont be part of the problem, be part of the solution, move out of highsec :)


What is such uncommon wisdom doing in general discussion?

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Asura Vajrarupa
Doomheim
#66 - 2015-04-15 00:39:43 UTC
https://zkillboard.com/kill/45786308/

Code are not invincible, you just have to stop fitting your barge like a chump.

Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2015-04-15 00:56:10 UTC
Afrigael Hax wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
[quote=Edward Gibbon]
If your only interest in Eve is mining AFK, then perhaps you should consider spending your time and entertainment budget doing something a little more aligned with your desires than playing in a open-world, single-universe PvP game solely as a prey item.


that's an extremely well said and unavoidable point, I do the afk mining thing..unavoidable sometimes when you have a small toddler and a disabled wife .. but you're right ..even if I don't like it ... that is the truth of it

Not really sure I can agree with you. The point of open ended should for all intents and purposes leave the individual player to determine if the hum of mining lasers from a speaker in another room is sufficient reason to log in. Far be it from me or anyone else to pass judgement. If that's how someone gets their kicks so be it. AFK mining isn't the only thing I do personally, but it makes a nice way to ease myself back into more actively playing.

As far as being solely prey, I'm almost always AFK when mining, I've never lost a barge. And if we take the logic that being potential prey means you should be doing something else, anyone who is in space not looking to kill someone else shouldn't be playing.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#68 - 2015-04-15 01:29:29 UTC
Wait.... this is a game?

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Gerhard Stringfellow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2015-04-15 01:37:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerhard Stringfellow
Edward Gibbon wrote:
I've been playing Eve for years now, longer than I ever planned to. Other games grab my attention from time to time, but I always come back. One of the things that always had me coming back was the community, but that seems to be getting badly fractured. It's been a while now and these CODE people seem to be gaining numbers. They've got their supporters and their detractors.

My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one. But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.

I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.

It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.


Dude, just go somewhere else. Hi-sec is huge, the gankers aren't everywhere at once, and you probably need to take a vacation from mining around Jita IV anyway. The game isn't broken and you need to find a way to make it work, just like anyone else in EvE has too. It isn't fun losing ships, but it's something that affects everyone; you can't expect the world to create a safe place just for you or people that play like you do.

CODE has their goals and as much as I disagree with them, they aren't breaking the rules of the game in any way and you need to find a way a to make it work for you. Maybe you should move to a different system, or tank your mining fit appropriately, or join a real mining corp that takes the appropriate action to protect its fleets. It seems to be the fashionable thing these days, and not just in EvE, to cry that you're being oppressed and your problems are everybody else's fault but yours.

And I'm getting tired of people claiming they're oppressed; if what you're doing now isn't working, you need to alter how you're playing. Goons don't cry to CCP if they lose to PL, and vice versa, even though the ships they're losing cost a hell of a lot more than a mining barge or exhumer. Instead they look at what they can and can't do, and react accordingly and realistically. Don't go crying to CCP.

tl;dr if you don't want to get exploded, find a way to protect your ship instead of whining.

Another pubbie elite PvE pay to win mining carebear
UMIRIN BRAH Aesthics
#70 - 2015-04-15 01:38:19 UTC
In regards to OP, please check my in-game bio.

It has not been edited for this thread and has been around for a while now.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2015-04-15 01:40:48 UTC
Edward Gibbon wrote:
I've been playing Eve for years now, longer than I ever planned to. Other games grab my attention from time to time, but I always come back. One of the things that always had me coming back was the community, but that seems to be getting badly fractured. It's been a while now and these CODE people seem to be gaining numbers. They've got their supporters and their detractors.

My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one. But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.

I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.

It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.


What are you playing for a game son? I guess you`re thinking the wrong way nobody force here your hand. Its you thats have problems.

This game is still a sanbox so in short let me put it this way. You can do whatever you want to. Even blow CODE up if you think you can handle that kind of stuff if not. Let me put it nice here screw them. Move on. There are many people that try to (get this a cookie builder tactics like wow or lol or dota or any (hardcore) game you want to. All fail. Why? because people want to play it in there way not them.
Sentry 10
Escape Velocity
#72 - 2015-04-15 01:41:48 UTC
Dude. Try planetary interaction. It Is Mining without the mining. You set a planetary harvest program from an hour up to a week, and it does it whether you log on or not, so it's good for low commitment or attention. Low sec or WH PI also generates good income. Check it out
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#73 - 2015-04-15 03:46:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Harrison Tato
Miners exist to be targets

Every player in this game exists to be targets.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#74 - 2015-04-15 05:35:11 UTC
Edward Gibbon wrote:
fanatics (Gamergate)

u fkn wot m8?

don't compare a group of people demanding better electronic entertainment to these worthless scrubs who do nothing worthy of attention.

also, what were you smoking? CODE don't enforce anything, they're just gankers who aren't capable of anything else. nobody cares about them anymore.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#75 - 2015-04-15 05:46:11 UTC
It annoys me that the OP, with the help of a few stupid buzzwords like "gamergate", "toxic" and "CODE." managed to troll himself to 4 pages of birdbrained nonsense.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#76 - 2015-04-15 06:14:53 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Afrigael Hax wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:

If your only interest in Eve is mining AFK, then perhaps you should consider spending your time and entertainment budget doing something a little more aligned with your desires than playing in a open-world, single-universe PvP game solely as a prey item.


that's an extremely well said and unavoidable point, I do the afk mining thing..unavoidable sometimes when you have a small toddler and a disabled wife .. but you're right ..even if I don't like it ... that is the truth of it

Not really sure I can agree with you. The point of open ended should for all intents and purposes leave the individual player to determine if the hum of mining lasers from a speaker in another room is sufficient reason to log in. Far be it from me or anyone else to pass judgement. If that's how someone gets their kicks so be it. AFK mining isn't the only thing I do personally, but it makes a nice way to ease myself back into more actively playing.

As far as being solely prey, I'm almost always AFK when mining, I've never lost a barge. And if we take the logic that being potential prey means you should be doing something else, anyone who is in space not looking to kill someone else shouldn't be playing.

Sure, if being a prey item turns your crank, then please log in. Or slowly watching your hold fill up with ore gives you a sense of satisfaction, then continue playing. Or perhaps you just like looking a pretty spaceships fly around an asteroid belt. I don't care about your, the OPs, or anyone's motivations to log in.

However this is a game with specific design goals from CCP which including making all resources gatherers prey items for other players. Hell, practically everything you do in space makes you a prey item - even the Crimewatch mechanics serve up gankers as prey items to anti-gankers or anyone else that can catch them. My point wasn't that that was bad or players shouldn't play as prey. In fact, I think that is very good on CCP's part and makes Eve a much more interesting game. My point was that the OP seems to want the all benefit of mining AFK (while playing with his kids) while "opting-out" of being a target for the predators, and at the same time calling players who choose to play that predator role "toxic".

The game is designed from its very core to foster conflict between players. It's totally fine if you embrace that and only ever play as a prey item for whatever reason. It is not cool to come to the forums and say you don't like that and CCP should change the game so you can do whatever you want in isolation from other players and the sandbox. If you don't like playing as prey that much and that is all you do in Eve, then you are playing the wrong game.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2015-04-15 08:05:53 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Afrigael Hax wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:

If your only interest in Eve is mining AFK, then perhaps you should consider spending your time and entertainment budget doing something a little more aligned with your desires than playing in a open-world, single-universe PvP game solely as a prey item.


that's an extremely well said and unavoidable point, I do the afk mining thing..unavoidable sometimes when you have a small toddler and a disabled wife .. but you're right ..even if I don't like it ... that is the truth of it

Not really sure I can agree with you. The point of open ended should for all intents and purposes leave the individual player to determine if the hum of mining lasers from a speaker in another room is sufficient reason to log in. Far be it from me or anyone else to pass judgement. If that's how someone gets their kicks so be it. AFK mining isn't the only thing I do personally, but it makes a nice way to ease myself back into more actively playing.

As far as being solely prey, I'm almost always AFK when mining, I've never lost a barge. And if we take the logic that being potential prey means you should be doing something else, anyone who is in space not looking to kill someone else shouldn't be playing.

Sure, if being a prey item turns your crank, then please log in. Or slowly watching your hold fill up with ore gives you a sense of satisfaction, then continue playing. Or perhaps you just like looking a pretty spaceships fly around an asteroid belt. I don't care about your, the OPs, or anyone's motivations to log in.

However this is a game with specific design goals from CCP which including making all resources gatherers prey items for other players. Hell, practically everything you do in space makes you a prey item - even the Crimewatch mechanics serve up gankers as prey items to anti-gankers or anyone else that can catch them. My point wasn't that that was bad or players shouldn't play as prey. In fact, I think that is very good on CCP's part and makes Eve a much more interesting game. My point was that the OP seems to want the all benefit of mining AFK (while playing with his kids) while "opting-out" of being a target for the predators, and at the same time calling players who choose to play that predator role "toxic".

The game is designed from its very core to foster conflict between players. It's totally fine if you embrace that and only ever play as a prey item for whatever reason. It is not cool to come to the forums and say you don't like that and CCP should change the game so you can do whatever you want in isolation from other players and the sandbox. If you don't like playing as prey that much and that is all you do in Eve, then you are playing the wrong game.

What you're saying here isn't quite the same as the quoted statement. As it was it paints being (potential) prey as negative and something to re-evaluate playing for while this clarification has a different tone on the matter. Maybe there is some missing context but as it was presented there the 2 don't seem to say the same thing.

All my point was is that there is a difference between the way the game was designed to work and the individual acts players can choose to take. Yes, Eve is driven by space violence, but individually most don't want to lose ships they don't fully intend to lose, whether seeking to violence other boats or not. Player desires tend to fall at odds with the healthy function of the game as a whole.

Also a wide definition of prey item makes the distinction meaningless. Nearly everything is prey to someone so calling out a single individual for it doesn't seem to make sense to me. Wanting perfect safety is certainly against the spirit of the game, but wanting ones own ships to remain intact is pretty normal.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#78 - 2015-04-15 08:45:20 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Also a wide definition of prey item makes the distinction meaningless. Nearly everything is prey to someone so calling out a single individual for it doesn't seem to make sense to me. Wanting perfect safety is certainly against the spirit of the game, but wanting ones own ships to remain intact is pretty normal.

Not wanting to lose your ships is normal. Coming to the forums complaining that you lost them while playing the game that has been intentionally engineered so that they are at risk to other players, or worse calling for them to be safe so you can "play your way" is the problem.

I am not calling someone out for not want to lose their ship to a predator. I am calling out those that don't like that but yet choose to pursue in game activities where that is suppose to happen and then complain about it.

While gas mining in wormholes I put myself at risk and offer myself up as prey. I do it because it is reasonably lucrative and a change from my normal PvP activities, but more so it is very satisfying to ninja that gas and get it safely back to my base in the face of people trying to kill me. I don't want to lose my ship, but I am aware it is a not-unlikely outcome of that activity. People would laugh at me if I lost a ship, and then came to the forums saying that wormhole players are "toxic" for killing a harmless mining frigate.

Highsec is much, much safer, but still if you can't handle losing mining ships, you probably shouldn't be playing the game as an AFK miner as that is a possible outcome of the activity. If AFK mining was all I did in the game and I hated losing ships to predators, why am I playing the game (or the game in that way) in the first place? Go play a game where non-consensual PvP is prohibited and you will be a much happier gamer. Or play Eve as something that can turn the tables on the predators and fight back. Or if you really like AFK mining for some reason, and can handle the loss of the odd mining vessel, then just write it off as the cost of doing business and keep your complaining off the forums.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Alleja DeSan-na
La Rapida
#79 - 2015-04-15 09:08:26 UTC
Edward Gibbon wrote:

I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.


Play a game, whatever it is, required concentration, or definately you are not playing the game, but doing other things.

Edward Gibbon wrote:

It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.


This is a full PVP MMORPG. Being shooted is inside the mechanics of the game. Being podded too.
Somewhere, in some guide that I read, the CCP is expressed by making it very clear that they care that a player enters the game with a sense of constant alert.
Not meeting the exact phrase, but said that EVE is not a game puffy puffy and that there are other games made that way.

Say that a player (any player whether or not CODE) is "toxic" just because he does not play in your own style, or plays so that you personally do not like it, I find it a form of disrespect very serious. And not by "character to character" but from "player to player."

The best thing that you can do at this point is to apologize to all the players who play inside the rules of the game in any way they play, for the term "toxic" that you used. And I say exactly for the respect of the community that you mention.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#80 - 2015-04-15 09:12:09 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
It annoys me that the OP, with the help of a few stupid buzzwords like "gamergate", "toxic" and "CODE." managed to troll himself to 4 pages of birdbrained nonsense.


And he's gone to Doomheim... maybe that should be Trollheim or something?