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Funny you should say that. Apparently pressing F1-F8 on a macro is not allowed. With no client side detection pressing F1 to F8 with 8 fingers is indistinguishable from a bound key, so yes, using your fingers is against the EULA.

Why don't they mean those though. If the problem is that people are gaining an unfair advantage, there are a number of tools which give me as a trader FAR more advantage than any multibox tool has ever given a multiboxer. Seems like selective enforcement to me.

I know that they do, since I was at fanfest and asked them. They have no client side detection and they work out everything using data analysis over a long time period. They specifically spoke about people being x% over the average for efficiency being a trigger point. Worse still they spoke about tracking people for months before banning them meaning that people might be playing perfectly fine and as far as they know within the rules for months, then suddenly get a ban and lost months work of assets and isk. The thing is, multiplexing is easy enough, when multiple accounts are firing off commands at exactly the same time, it shows up. But beyond that, there's no way of seeing the difference between round robin and someone with their windows tiled across 3 massive monitors or rapidly switching windows like Kinete is doing.

That's the point, there is no other option. CCP won't answer questions in tickets even though that's where they state these will be answered, they won't answer question on the forums which is where the tickets tell them to go, so people who want clarification on what they do are not given it. That leaves no real option but having these conversations go on ad infinitum or just biomassing. It's possibly the worst level of customer support I've ever seen.

It begins... The hatred on all multiboxers as was predicted when all this kicked off. This is what the problem boils down to. Teary eyed noobs that don't like people being able to have multiple accounts. EVE is a multiboxing game, that is unlikely to change.

ISBoxers are not bots.

It wouldn't do, since the price of ore has very little to do with ISBoxer users. Most multiboxers you see are manually controlled and are unaffected by this change. The only price heavily affected was PLEX and even that was mainly due to speculation.

As usual, when people complained about this, they had very little idea of what was actually the problem. The problem for you is that mining mechanics are so simple that running multiple characters nearly AFK is feasible and profitable. If you want ore prices to increase you need to push for more active and challenging mining mechanics which would make multibox mining more difficult and encourage it's use as an active income source rather than a passive one.

The counterargument is that mining pays poorly, but because it's still an ATK, in-space activity, aggressive multiboxing is the only way to scale it up. It's much easier to scale research, manufacturing and moon harvesting.

Hey Peligro,

Can we get a song at next years fanfest presentation?

15 Bulbous Moroses
11 Spinning Chimeras
6 Golden Aeons

TWO VERTICAL DREADS

3 Wvyerns [something something-ing]
2 Revelations Sieging

and A Shiney Erebus Doomsdaying



(Or something like that)

That's because there has to be some human-level discretion involved, because of the sheer number of variables in play.

So, for example, a deaf or blind person using the accessibility functions of his operating system to play the game is not in violation, while a powergamer exploiting the same accessibility functions to reach otherwise impossible levels of speed or efficiency is in violation.

If CCP were to allow anything that shipped with an operating system then I could write bots with any of the half-dozen or so scripting languages that ship with my operating system, in the editors that ship with the operating system, using the system-wide hooks into events and windows that ship with the operating system, and thumb my nose at CCP, right? Wrong. That's obviously not going to happen. So CCP have to be able to rule out the use of system tools and features if they enable impossible levels of speed or efficiency.

Because that really is the goal.

You're talking about actual bots, not ISBoxer. ISBoxer is no faster than an identical fleet with identical pilots, fits, implants, SP, an experience. ISBoxers are still subject to human error; bots are not.

They (yeah, them, those guys) don't give a shite about other things Team Security does. They accept RMT is bannable in all its many variations, so its not a topic worthy of discussion for them. They accept that botting is bannable, thus they don't care to discuss it either. They laugh along with us at those who have been banned for RMT and botting because those are "bad people doing bad things". And they applaud your efforts at fighting attacks on the server or player accounts. They just don't accept that something they do might (now) be an offense that could put them in the same camp as those "bad people", and thus the focus is and always will be on Hyperboxing when it comes to Team Security's efforts. You cannot escape it. We cannot escape it. Like the blob and Jita local, it is just something we will learn to live with. Let freedom speak in all the places. Thus we can mock them in all the places.

You mean that thread where a dev hasn't responded for 5 months and 150 pages of discussion?

While I do understand that they do that a lot and that I cannot discuss their responses to my petitions lets just say that a friend of a friend of mine has opened ~10 petitions over 5 years and the only time he was satisfied was on an EULA clarification....so maybe it's who you get ahold of and how they're feeling.