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Amarr/Minmatar Warzone Update 2.0

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#21 - 2015-04-14 14:04:29 UTC
This thread has whining, betrayal, loss, rage.....wow. Grabbing my popcorn.
Ren Pares
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-04-14 14:07:03 UTC
My hangar has been crushed under the weight of all the Warp Core Stabs I scooped at the Gulm IHub.
10/10 would loot U'K wrecks again
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#23 - 2015-04-14 14:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Horak Thor
agharaster wrote:
What I see is a bunch of prussies bully behaving without contents that are supporting one faction, guarding their amarr alts de-plexing and pretending to be pirates.
We all know how easy is to harass a militia pos bash, especially when 50% of the fleet is away from home and from the proper reship. As i said in the article, the more shiney and organized fleets you move on a i-hub bash, the more are the opportunities and contents for douches to hotdrop.
Don't forget we are outnumbered, weak on complex fleets composition but with a very strong motivation. That is challenging, and what is better than a challenge in a game?

I can link the towers Periphery have lost by DT or the stillframes of their fleets sitted inside the forcefield watching and crying, but this is not the right place, i'm not here to troll, i don't have time for that.

Horak, if i were you i would shut up, you lost your ishtar by a bunch of dessies and stealth bombers and you yell at other players only when your butt is covered.
Keep making us laugh.


Link this magical non existent ishtar kill pls.
Exactly how im about to link a link to our campaign efficiency against DT of 80%, definitely cowering in shields.
http://kb.theperiphery.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=1

See that? instead of chatting out of my ass i actually give proof.

My only ever ishtar loss
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28430566
Maybe the fact you get Battleships mixed up with dessies and Recons mixed up with stealth bombers is the reason your such a terrible fc you lost a 40 man fleet to 6 guys over 4 hours?

.....

agharaster
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-04-14 15:04:42 UTC
Quote:

Link this magical non existent ishtar kill pls.
Exactly how im about to link a link to our campaign efficiency against DT of 80%, definitely cowering in shields.
http://kb.theperiphery.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=1

See that? instead of chatting out of my ass i actually give proof.

My only ever ishtar loss
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28430566
Maybe the fact you get Battleships mixed up with dessies and Recons mixed up with stealth bombers is the reason your such a terrible fc you lost a 40 man fleet to 6 guys over 4 hours?


oh my bad, that was hayz's ishtar, just confusing names.
your campaign link is empty.

plus, is because i know how to proper siege a system that i'm avoiding the old rules to have a batphone and to feed it. I personally don't want to feed anyone. I'm more interested in solid relationships and fair fights to affort the challenge.
And ofc i'm not asking my corpmembers or anyone to spin a button like monkeys, that's a stuff i leave to D&G's pilots, they are soooo good at that.
Annah Kitheran
Angry Mustellid
#25 - 2015-04-14 15:13:06 UTC
Agha,
I understand you are upset but I feel as your friend I should probably point out that you are mostly just embarrassing yourself.

As a clarification, I stated that we would not form any organised opposition to your efforts. We still haven’t. If you would like me to organise something rather than just find yourself opposed by our solo pilots who (horror of horrors) find themselves in a system full of targets to hunt then please continue, mail me in game to suggest a time and we’ll organise something.

Alternatively wait for us to go roaming and then flip the system, use a scout, follow us, have him report regularly that we are terrible, dastardly people and most importantly NOT IN GULM and use that small window of opportunity to flip the bunker. You had the same opportunity last night, we were roaming, the system went vulnerable we were out roaming you waited 2 hours until my alliance had all come home, gone on the requisite **** break and eaten their evening meal before coming back to keyboard to chat and mess about in frigates.

If you can’t flip a system under the pressure of 6 skirmishing pilots then to be quite honest you need to organise better. Again, mail me I can try and suggest some simple gang comps your pilots might be able to use.

To clarify a few other points, we left not because we wanted to shoot both sides, we left because we were tired of carrying one particular side. The colossal amounts of local smack and upset have not really endeared folks to us since however. Please, next time you try and resolve a disagreement in meatspace try doing so while continually hurling nonsensical abuse and see how well disposed towards you your target is by the end.

Annah

PS: I find myself agreeing with Aslon. Shoot me. WHAT HAVE I BECOME? *existential angst*
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#26 - 2015-04-14 15:28:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
Usually I don't bother with threads like this as the signal to noise ratio is appalling but I'll make an exception this time.

The fact is that we are a NBSI alliance Agharaster, you know what that means.

As to your belief that we betrayed Minniemil by leaving when we did you are entitled to you opinion but the fact is our exit date had been set some time previously (for reasons mentioned above) and was only brought forward a week or two to avoid the Pheobe jump drive changes.

The fact is that we will shoot anyone non-blue (irrespective of past associations) we can get a lock on as I expect them to shoot us, most take it for what it is, some feel the need to bring baggage to what is a game and should be treated as such.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law

Aslon Seridith
Biohazard.
#27 - 2015-04-14 15:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Aslon Seridith
Annah Kitheran wrote:
Agha,
PS: I find myself agreeing with Aslon. Shoot me. WHAT HAVE I BECOME? *existential angst*


The force is strong, in this one I sense.

㋡ it's ASLON SERIDTH? | Minmatar Most Loved #1 | Gave Amarr a Medal | Orchestrator of BurnHuola'14 |

Author of: How to win FW in 3 months | Nullsec Bittervet | www.winmatar.com

Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-04-14 15:52:13 UTC
Hello guys,

I will throw my 2 cents in here X1 terribad FC \o

I was the FC for most of the bash and it was my first time FCing such an op...it's not that tricky every time is it?!?!? :-o

It was difficult really, we knew that the Dust modifier had been swinging thru-ought the day so when the system went vulnerable I chose to build a buffer of Plexes instead of immediately attacking whilst you were out. Perhaps a mistake, in addition before your guys started harassing us we had visitors from Already Disbanded. One of their FC's is an ex Winmatar guy who still holds a grudge and is happy to use his corp mates as a crutch to prop up the Amarr Militia. Whether the Amarr know this or not the effect is the same every I-HUB bash recently we have to see them off or get forced out of the system whilst they bodyguard 24th IC guys to d-plex.

Anyway by the time we had countered them you were back and ready to go, I have to say I'm a bit stunned at how deadly Mystical Might is in that ******** Garmur! Pulling in the region of 8,000 kmps we really couldn't counter it. Then we started having the issue of some Periphery guys trolling us by bodyguarding their 24th IC alts and having them run Plexes. It took me a little bit of time to figure that out as your guys appears to be killing Anarr Militia as well during the bash. Anyway once a plex or two got capped the Dust modifier started swinging and we lost our progress due to the lost buffer.

So then more of your guys started harassing the bash after you logged, anyway we ultimately had to ship up to Cruisers w logi to counter Mysticals Garmur etc which hurt our dps a lot. Anyway your guys got organised and shipped up to counter - breaking our reps etc.

We were still under threat of Dust swinging again and knew someone had an Amarr alt being baby sat running Plexes despite the heroic efforts of our plex runners in frigates. So we had to stay at the hub, anyway whenever we shiped down out came the jury Garmur etc and when're we shipped back up again it was Long Range Cerberuses etc

We knew we were running low on time and then a PY-RE fleet show up and start running the other Plexes with Mystical egging them on in local. After seeing that The Periphery were going to be Plexing themselves and helping a PY-RE fleet plex in the system without interference we called it a night at 2AM.

It did appear that The Periphery were deliberately forming to counter our bash and certainly later on were certainly not engaging the Amarr. It can be a bit frustrating that the ex-Amarr guys give a helping hand to their old comrades whilst the ex-Minnie's either leave the WZ or go full pirate killing indescriminaty.

Anyway I have apologised to my Hoplite comrades for screwing it up and that apology extends to our allies who came and helped. If anyone has any advice as to his to do better next time let me know. I am taking a rest from EVE for a little bit - You Guys have litterally knocked me into a few days from now! Gf to The Periphery I know you are just playing the game. Thanks to Agha and Harkon for taking over at times when I became too unstuck! I will hopefully be back soon, I may even FC again...in a quiet system...without stations....or pirates....on a Timezone where no one is awake! o7
Master Sergeant MacRobert
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#29 - 2015-04-14 16:06:00 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
Hello guys,

I will throw my 2 cents in here X1 terribad FC \o

I was the FC for most of the bash and it was my first time FCing such an op...it's not that tricky every time is it?!?!? :-o

It was difficult really, we knew that the Dust modifier had been swinging thru-ought the day so when the system went vulnerable I chose to build a buffer of Plexes instead of immediately attacking whilst you were out. Perhaps a mistake, in addition before your guys started harassing us we had visitors from Already Disbanded. One of their FC's is an ex Winmatar guy who still holds a grudge and is happy to use his corp mates as a crutch to prop up the Amarr Militia. Whether the Amarr know this or not the effect is the same every I-HUB bash recently we have to see them off or get forced out of the system whilst they bodyguard 24th IC guys to d-plex.

Anyway by the time we had countered them you were back and ready to go, I have to say I'm a bit stunned at how deadly Mystical Might is in that ******** Garmur! Pulling in the region of 8,000 kmps we really couldn't counter it. Then we started having the issue of some Periphery guys trolling us by bodyguarding their 24th IC alts and having them run Plexes. It took me a little bit of time to figure that out as your guys appears to be killing Anarr Militia as well during the bash. Anyway once a plex or two got capped the Dust modifier started swinging and we lost our progress due to the lost buffer.

So then more of your guys started harassing the bash after you logged, anyway we ultimately had to ship up to Cruisers w logi to counter Mysticals Garmur etc which hurt our dps a lot. Anyway your guys got organised and shipped up to counter - breaking our reps etc.

We were still under threat of Dust swinging again and knew someone had an Amarr alt being baby sat running Plexes despite the heroic efforts of our plex runners in frigates. So we had to stay at the hub, anyway whenever we shiped down out came the jury Garmur etc and when're we shipped back up again it was Long Range Cerberuses etc

We knew we were running low on time and then a PY-RE fleet show up and start running the other Plexes with Mystical egging them on in local. After seeing that The Periphery were going to be Plexing themselves and helping a PY-RE fleet plex in the system without interference we called it a night at 2AM.

It did appear that The Periphery were deliberately forming to counter our bash and certainly later on were certainly not engaging the Amarr. It can be a bit frustrating that the ex-Amarr guys give a helping hand to their old comrades whilst the ex-Minnie's either leave the WZ or go full pirate killing indescriminaty.

Anyway I have apologised to my Hoplite comrades for screwing it up and that apology extends to our allies who came and helped. If anyone has any advice as to his to do better next time let me know. I am taking a rest from EVE for a little bit - You Guys have litterally knocked me into a few days from now! Gf to The Periphery I know you are just playing the game. Thanks to Agha and Harkon for taking over at times when I became too unstuck! I will hopefully be back soon, I may even FC again...in a quiet system...without stations....or pirates....on a Timezone where no one is awake! o7


o7

Take a day or two to reflect, remember it's none too serious but, then jump back in and do it again. Best time to FC again is just after you've been dumped on yer arse and learn't a lot.

"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"

agharaster
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-04-14 16:06:27 UTC
Good Nameira,
good job.
lots of honour and lots of enemies.
Easy win doesn't belong to minmatar militia, we have to work harder for the victory, and we did, our killmail is not that bad and so it's our overall efficiency.

I started a thread talking about politics and neutral entities influences in the FW and they all replied on such good they are, well, i'll keep embarrassing myself talking about some Role Play and human behaviours.

The point is NOT what is the perfect counter, we are not seated in a station waiting for the proper composition to drop, whatever we drop can be countered, if not by periphery by AD or DT that are 2 jumps out.
There is no point on the tactical or composition side, the point is purely political.
The raise of minmatar militia without super heroes and super FC's is something that annoy some people. This is the way they have to counter it.

As i said, more challenges more fun.
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#31 - 2015-04-14 16:18:55 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
Hello guys,

I will throw my 2 cents in here X1 terribad FC \o

I was the FC for most of the bash and it was my first time FCing such an op...it's not that tricky every time is it?!?!? :-o

It was difficult really, we knew that the Dust modifier had been swinging thru-ought the day so when the system went vulnerable I chose to build a buffer of Plexes instead of immediately attacking whilst you were out. Perhaps a mistake, in addition before your guys started harassing us we had visitors from Already Disbanded. One of their FC's is an ex Winmatar guy who still holds a grudge and is happy to use his corp mates as a crutch to prop up the Amarr Militia. Whether the Amarr know this or not the effect is the same every I-HUB bash recently we have to see them off or get forced out of the system whilst they bodyguard 24th IC guys to d-plex.

Anyway by the time we had countered them you were back and ready to go, I have to say I'm a bit stunned at how deadly Mystical Might is in that ******** Garmur! Pulling in the region of 8,000 kmps we really couldn't counter it. Then we started having the issue of some Periphery guys trolling us by bodyguarding their 24th IC alts and having them run Plexes. It took me a little bit of time to figure that out as your guys appears to be killing Anarr Militia as well during the bash. Anyway once a plex or two got capped the Dust modifier started swinging and we lost our progress due to the lost buffer.

So then more of your guys started harassing the bash after you logged, anyway we ultimately had to ship up to Cruisers w logi to counter Mysticals Garmur etc which hurt our dps a lot. Anyway your guys got organised and shipped up to counter - breaking our reps etc.

We were still under threat of Dust swinging again and knew someone had an Amarr alt being baby sat running Plexes despite the heroic efforts of our plex runners in frigates. So we had to stay at the hub, anyway whenever we shiped down out came the jury Garmur etc and when're we shipped back up again it was Long Range Cerberuses etc

We knew we were running low on time and then a PY-RE fleet show up and start running the other Plexes with Mystical egging them on in local. After seeing that The Periphery were going to be Plexing themselves and helping a PY-RE fleet plex in the system without interference we called it a night at 2AM.

It did appear that The Periphery were deliberately forming to counter our bash and certainly later on were certainly not engaging the Amarr. It can be a bit frustrating that the ex-Amarr guys give a helping hand to their old comrades whilst the ex-Minnie's either leave the WZ or go full pirate killing indescriminaty.

Anyway I have apologised to my Hoplite comrades for screwing it up and that apology extends to our allies who came and helped. If anyone has any advice as to his to do better next time let me know. I am taking a rest from EVE for a little bit - You Guys have litterally knocked me into a few days from now! Gf to The Periphery I know you are just playing the game. Thanks to Agha and Harkon for taking over at times when I became too unstuck! I will hopefully be back soon, I may even FC again...in a quiet system...without stations....or pirates....on a Timezone where no one is awake! o7


You were up against it massively well done for not losing everyone tbh, dont let it dishearten you.
As for the bad feels, just a result of being constantly called traitors etc in local i guess, Glad you can view the situation as an adult and a game.
respect

.....

Alli Ginthur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-04-14 16:56:54 UTC
You guys should just do what Iron Oxide and a few other former MinMil groups did and join in with GalMil piling onto an overmatched and outnumbered CalMil. Get those good vibes again beating a dead horse in a wz quickly slanting to one militia, while squaring off regularly with the local pirates and watching the other militia wither and die.

Even better, I hear lp is way more lucrative in GalMil. So win win for everyone!

Well, not CalMil, but the Gals have given up the concern trolling about having a healthy opposing militia, happily enjoying bigger ship content against the pirate entities, while regularly taunting about CalMil "blobbing" and yet constantly upshipping above anything CalMil can bring in almost all situations. Not to mention complaining that CalMil doesn't live in the warzone, yet actively sieging and removing any attempt for us to do just that (for the most recent examples, look at Rakapas and currently Kehjari).

Im sure GalMil would love having you all with them!
Mayrin Hawke
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#33 - 2015-04-14 17:42:06 UTC
I'm sorry for your loss
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#34 - 2015-04-14 17:58:15 UTC
Funny. When we took on neutral pirates while bashing Brin I don't recall making a thread whining about it.

Shiva, stop slacking.
Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#35 - 2015-04-14 18:59:58 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
Hello guys,



lmao talk about deflecting blame
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#36 - 2015-04-14 19:05:23 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Alli Ginthur wrote:
You guys should just do what Iron Oxide and a few other former MinMil groups did and join in with GalMil piling onto an overmatched and outnumbered CalMil. Get those good vibes again beating a dead horse in a wz quickly slanting to one militia, while squaring off regularly with the local pirates and watching the other militia wither and die.

Even better, I hear lp is way more lucrative in GalMil. So win win for everyone!

Well, not CalMil, but the Gals have given up the concern trolling about having a healthy opposing militia, happily enjoying bigger ship content against the pirate entities, while regularly taunting about CalMil "blobbing" and yet constantly upshipping above anything CalMil can bring in almost all situations. Not to mention complaining that CalMil doesn't live in the warzone, yet actively sieging and removing any attempt for us to do just that (for the most recent examples, look at Rakapas and currently Kehjari).

Im sure GalMil would love having you all with them!
Don't be mad. You guys are doing pretty well defending your systems lately. And if we could bet on such things, I'd pick you guys over Amarr and Minmatar any day of the week(and the numbers would back me up).

Edit:
Also, you guys don't really live in Kehjari, you just show up when the contested level gets high. And I'm not sure you guys really lived in Rakapas either.

What else? Yeah, I'll take the hit on my isk/lp ratio if it means we get more good corps into Gallente Militia.
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-04-14 19:18:31 UTC
Otsdarva IV wrote:
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
Hello guys,



lmao talk about deflecting blame


Haters welcome, although I would rather get attacked by the Amarr militia in space than in a thread, can only seem to find the old guard in pirate groups though recently.

It is interesting though how many DnG guys we can kill when we only have stabs in our low slots! (I can troll too)

It's a game. I own my mistakes in Internet spaceships I am not a 'ragey' guy. I have made every silly mistake at some point and some only I have thought of! As for PY-RE tell your FC (Mystical Might) gf...

As for the Cal Mil pilot, Minmatar militia are recruiting! If you see Iron Oxide tell them to stop messing around where they are not needed and get back here.
Alli Ginthur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2015-04-14 19:42:17 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Alli Ginthur wrote:
You guys should just do what Iron Oxide and a few other former MinMil groups did and join in with GalMil piling onto an overmatched and outnumbered CalMil. Get those good vibes again beating a dead horse in a wz quickly slanting to one militia, while squaring off regularly with the local pirates and watching the other militia wither and die.

Even better, I hear lp is way more lucrative in GalMil. So win win for everyone!

Well, not CalMil, but the Gals have given up the concern trolling about having a healthy opposing militia, happily enjoying bigger ship content against the pirate entities, while regularly taunting about CalMil "blobbing" and yet constantly upshipping above anything CalMil can bring in almost all situations. Not to mention complaining that CalMil doesn't live in the warzone, yet actively sieging and removing any attempt for us to do just that (for the most recent examples, look at Rakapas and currently Kehjari).

Im sure GalMil would love having you all with them!
Don't be mad. You guys are doing pretty well defending your systems lately. And if we could bet on such things, I'd pick you guys over Amarr and Minmatar any day of the week(and the numbers would back me up).

Edit:
Also, you guys don't really live in Kehjari, you just show up when the contested level gets high. And I'm not sure you guys really lived in Rakapas either.

What else? Yeah, I'll take the hit on my isk/lp ratio if it means we get more good corps into Gallente Militia.


Yeah, that was a bit of a mad post, my apologies. Also was a bit more derailment than intended. Got kinda rambly there in the middle.

And thanks for the kind offer Nameira, and we'll see what the IO guys say when I tell them that Blink
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#39 - 2015-04-14 20:01:01 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
As for PY-RE tell your FC (Mystical Might) gf...



******* lol.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Sebastien Starstrider
Everything You Know and Love is Forfeit
#40 - 2015-04-14 20:25:45 UTC
I get the sense that people are taking this too seriously, and also looking for somebody other than themselves to blame. Would our Minmatar fleet have taken the hub if opposition wasn't present? Yeah, certainly. But there was opposition. In the form of a single stabbed amarr executioner running plexes, who happeend to take the system out of vulnerable on us even, and maybe sixish pirate pilots.

With our fleet of 20-30 or more, and being so lose to a staging location, we should have been able to reship into something more serious, and to shut them down completely. But we didn't, we kept trying the same old thing, and we continued to lose pilots for it. What does this tell you? It tells me that we need a better capacity to ship up to the forces that might oppose us. We wouldn't have needed very much to do it. just the willingness to do it.

Instead of blaming Periphery, or accusing them of coordinating with Amarr, why not just meet the challenge presented? It only needed to be a minor hurdle for a fleet our size, not a great obstacle. Try looking inward more, to see what you could have done better, and how we could have better met the challenge, before complaining about unfairness. With the numbers we had, any complaint about unfairness on our part can only make us look weaker.

Cheers to the Periphery guys for providing a fun challenge for us. I hope that it can be an event that we learn from, a nudge in the direction of having more serious fleets with more capable ship doctrines and the logistics to have those ships and reships where we need them.