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Jenshae Chiroptera
#161 - 2015-04-14 16:34:31 UTC
Ecklectrix has received four pages of attention so far.
"None so blind as those who do not wish to see."

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Ecklectrix
#162 - 2015-04-14 16:36:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ecklectrix
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ecklectrix has received four pages of attention so far.
"None so blind as those who do not wish to see."


Didn't ask for it, merely responding to people that continually think they can speak on behalf of CCP.

Would have been happier with CCP Falcon sending me a message a few days ago, or any other CCP Rep.

And you've just had to chime in pretty much on every page, to add what? Internet memes? You can't come up with something witty on your own?

Your gang stalking EVE players are starting to shine through on this thread, CCP.

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#163 - 2015-04-14 16:45:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Ecklectrix wrote:


Oh really, so if you say, go to McDonalds, order and pay for a burger and they stare blankly at you and say "oops sorry our grill isn't working, but we're keeping your money" You'd say that would be ok right?


If I signed a contract going in the door that says "we can't promise you any food", yea, if I was dumb enough to sign it,, it would indeed be ok.


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Didn't say they owed me a dime either, just said they owed me what I paid them for, the terms of my subscription = 30 days. Simples.

1. Never signed a contract, There is no wet signiature, if I did, I rescind it now. I "accepted" the offer symbolically by clicking accept and paying money (in return for service).
2. Contracts can not contain terms absolving the oferror of all of their obligations for the service they were contracted to engage in. (This would be an awesome world you live in, you pay your mechanic to fix your brakes, only he doesn't bother because well he wrote that he doesn't have to)
3. Performance is a sepcific part of the contract, and they were unable to.
4. I already know where to take my complaint, I read the EULA thoroughly, and you've misinterpreted what it states.
5. All complaints must first be attempted to be resolved with the party BEFORE going to a court of law (if you knew something about it, you would already know that) Otherwise the judge will just recommend mediation FIRST.

So, CCP...lets communicate. I've sent you support tickets (no answer), It's been a good few days of discussion on here (no answer).


Be sure to come here and tell us when CCP doesn't give you anything (because that would open some very bad flood gates). Also don't hesitate to let us know how your law suit goes.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#164 - 2015-04-14 16:48:09 UTC
Ecklectrix wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The contract you signed is clear, CCP doesn't owe you or me or anyone anything, period.


Oh really, so if you say, go to McDonalds, order and pay for a burger and they stare blankly at you and say "oops sorry our grill isn't working, but we're keeping your money" You'd say that would be ok right?


None so blind as those who will not see.

CCP Falcon already answered, BTW. All you have to do is open your eyes.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#165 - 2015-04-14 16:50:43 UTC
Ecklectrix wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The contract you signed is clear, CCP doesn't owe you or me or anyone anything, period.


Oh really, so if you say, go to McDonalds, order and pay for a burger and they stare blankly at you and say "oops sorry our grill isn't working, but we're keeping your money" You'd say that would be ok right?


But that analogy is incorrect. What you've done is order takeout food, and it is sitting hot and ready, waiting for you to come pick it up. You just couldn't get through the front because a mob was outside protesting Obamacare or something.


I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#166 - 2015-04-14 16:53:17 UTC
It is fun seeing Jenn aSide and Ecklectrix knocking their heads together. *Popcorn*

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Ecklectrix
#167 - 2015-04-14 16:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ecklectrix
Jenn aSide wrote:
If I signed a contract going in the door that says "we can't promise you any food", yea, if I was dumb enough to sign it,, it would indeed be ok.


I am so glad I don't contract with you. Try it, try selling someone your car but having a clause that renegs on the deal, see how long it takes before you have to give it back (or go to prison). If you're so sure contracts work this way, just try it out on your own. Call me from prison later ok? I'd be interested in how you're settling in.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Be sure to come here and tell us when CCP doesn't give you anything (because that would open some very bad flood gates. Also don't hesitate to let us know how your law suit goes.


Yeah yeah, I'll do that, cos communicating with you is top daily priority for me, I can just call you and let you know - which correctional centre are you likely to be housed in?

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#168 - 2015-04-14 16:55:15 UTC
Ecklectrix wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ecklectrix has received four pages of attention so far.
"None so blind as those who do not wish to see."


Didn't ask for it, merely responding to people that continually think they can speak on behalf of CCP.

Would have been happier with CCP Falcon sending me a message a few days ago, or any other CCP Rep.

And you've just had to chime in pretty much on every page, to add what? Internet memes? You can't come up with something witty on your own?

Your gang stalking EVE players are starting to shine through on this thread, CCP.


Have you submitted a support ticket or are you just expecting ccp falcon to single you out and send you a message?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2015-04-14 16:57:26 UTC
I get that TQ is fine. It aint ccps fault etc etc

But if this happens multiple times a day for 30 straight days hypothetically and i cant play the game for 30days

Then what?
I should just keep pay my sub for access to TQ which is working fine even if i techincally cant reach it cuz TQ keeps getting ddosed?
Ecklectrix
#170 - 2015-04-14 17:00:15 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Have you submitted a support ticket or are you just expecting ccp falcon to single you out and send you a message?


As I mentioned - support ticket done, no response. Complaints here done, no response.

it actually wouldn't bother me so much, except it's not the first time that CCP milked my wallet and got away with it.

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A
Jenshae Chiroptera
#171 - 2015-04-14 17:05:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I get that TQ is fine. It aint ccps fault etc etc

But if this happens multiple times a day for 30 straight days hypothetically and i cant play the game for 30days

Then what?
I should just keep pay my sub for access to TQ which is working fine even if i techincally cant reach it cuz TQ keeps getting ddosed?
Lan Wang wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
QUESTION!

What if theoretically for the next 30 days these attacks happen multiple times a day.

Will it then be a problem worthy of compensation?

If so, what is the cut off point from no compensation to compensation?
10days? 15days? 7days? 30days?

You cant tell me with a straight face if this happens everyday for a month even if it aint ccps fault that we should continue to be charged.


you make it sound like your forced into paying money to ccp, its a games company not the government you are well within your rights to desub and file a dispute with paypal or credit card company to reverse your last months payment

Straight

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Ecklectrix
#172 - 2015-04-14 17:06:21 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I get that TQ is fine. It aint ccps fault etc etc

But if this happens multiple times a day for 30 straight days hypothetically and i cant play the game for 30days

Then what?
I should just keep pay my sub for access to TQ which is working fine even if i techincally cant reach it cuz TQ keeps getting ddosed?



According to some people on here, that would just be tough luck.

In reality, yes, they *should* give some kind of compensation, what they should do, and what they will do may not be the same thing, sadly.

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#173 - 2015-04-14 17:11:53 UTC
Ecklectrix wrote:


I am so glad I don't contract with you. Try it, try selling someone your car but having a clause that renegs on the deal, see how long it takes before you have to give it back (or go to prison). If you're so sure contracts work this way, just try it out on your own. Call me from prison later ok? I'd be interested in how you're settling in.


This is not what CCP did. CCP was the VICTIM of an attack.

The proper analogy would be: I sold someone a car. A month later someone who is not me stole the car. Now the owner of the car wants me to give them their money back.

In the same way CCP doesn't owe you a thing because of criminal activity they didn't do, I wouldn't owe the guy I sold the car to anything.

I'm sorry you can't get this. But that brings up the question, if you are so sensitive about this kind of issue (you say it happened before), why would you continue to give CCP money? It's like getting robbed, finding the robber and handing him your watch because he forgot to take it.




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Yeah yeah, I'll do that, cos communicating with you is top daily priority for me, I can just call you and let you know - which correctional centre are you likely to be housed in?


Son, for the last 17 years I've been putting people in jails. Because I understand how actual reality works and don't flip out because a game company won'ty give me 2 bucks worth of game time when someone else attacks them, I wouln't be the one going to jail...
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#174 - 2015-04-14 17:18:17 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I get that TQ is fine. It aint ccps fault etc etc

But if this happens multiple times a day for 30 straight days hypothetically and i cant play the game for 30days

Then what?
I should just keep pay my sub for access to TQ which is working fine even if i techincally cant reach it cuz TQ keeps getting ddosed?


That's your choice. You could unsub till the problem is resolved by someone.

The problem with a lot of people who always cry for reimbursement is that they have this feeling that SOMEONE should do something for them if they suffer a loss. They don't actually care who is at fault.

Truth is, the only people at fault are the attackers. If they keep you from playing EVE for 30 days it's they who owe you 30 days of game time. choosing to punish a victim for the actions of a criminal is wrong no matter how you cut it.
Ecklectrix
#175 - 2015-04-14 17:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ecklectrix
Jenn aSide wrote:
This is not what CCP did. CCP was the VICTIM of an attack.

The proper analogy would be: I sold someone a car. A month later someone who is not me stole the car. Now the owner of the car wants me to give them their money back.


Wow, this analogy is way off the reality. If you want to use that analogy at least be realistic. I paid you up front for the car, and when I arrived it was already stolen. You decide to keep my money, even though you are unable to provide me with the car that I paid you for. Actually, you owe me the money which is actually MY money, because you never brought to the table what you were paid to provide.

I'm sorry you can't get this.

Subscription: A written contract by which one engages to contribute a sum of money for a designated purpose, either gratuitously, as in the case of subscribing to a charity, or in consideration of an equivalent to be rendered, as a subscription to a periodical, a forthcoming book, a series of entertainments, or the like. (Designated purpose being 30 days of game play, as stated on the plex or game time buying web page)

Quote:
Son, for the last 17 years I've been putting people in jails. Because I understand how actual reality works and don't flip out because a game company won'ty give me 2 bucks worth of game time when someone else attacks them, I wouln't be the one going to jail...


I'm not your Son, you condescending flic.

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A
Ecklectrix
#176 - 2015-04-14 17:22:36 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I get that TQ is fine. It aint ccps fault etc etc

But if this happens multiple times a day for 30 straight days hypothetically and i cant play the game for 30days

Then what?
I should just keep pay my sub for access to TQ which is working fine even if i techincally cant reach it cuz TQ keeps getting ddosed?


That's your choice. You could unsub till the problem is resolved by someone.

The problem with a lot of people who always cry for reimbursement is that they have this feeling that SOMEONE should do something for them if they suffer a loss. They don't actually care who is at fault.

Truth is, the only people at fault are the attackers. If they keep you from playing EVE for 30 days it's they who owe you 30 days of game time. choosing to punish a victim for the actions of a criminal is wrong no matter how you cut it.


No, the person that needs to provide remedy is the person you contract with. They then need to persue the 3rd party that did criminal damage to them, It is not the person who contracted the middle man (as an agent to provide a service) to persue the criminal for damages.

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A
Jenshae Chiroptera
#177 - 2015-04-14 17:23:02 UTC
The funny thing is that with all the typing Ecklectrix has done, in that time they could have played, enjoyed the game and probably earned enough ISK to buy the portion of a PLEX that they are crying about.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#178 - 2015-04-14 17:23:55 UTC
Ecklectrix wrote:


I'm not your Son, you condescending flic.



Be glad of that, you'd be tasting belt leather right now if you was my son (that would learn ya!), and not in the good way people pay for in Amsterdam.

Side note, on the way to start your lawsuit in Iceland you should detour to Amsterdam and find the hotel by the river with a whip on it's sign. Good times.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#179 - 2015-04-14 17:25:00 UTC
Ecklectrix wrote:


No, the person that needs to provide remedy is the person you contract with. They then need to persue the 3rd party that did criminal damage to them, It is not the person who contracted the middle man (as an agent to provide a service) to persue the criminal for damages.


This is what entitlement looks like folks.
Ecklectrix
#180 - 2015-04-14 17:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ecklectrix
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ecklectrix wrote:


No, the person that needs to provide remedy is the person you contract with. They then need to persue the 3rd party that did criminal damage to them, It is not the person who contracted the middle man (as an agent to provide a service) to persue the criminal for damages.


This is what entitlement looks like folks.


That's because its the law, mate.

Entitlement: An individual's right to receive a value or benefit provided by law.

That is exactly what entitlement is...and, when I paid them for it I bought the fricken title. - Hence I am now EN-TITLED

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A