Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Let me start by saying that I L-O-V-E the jump changes. The issue I have is the range.

The flat 5ly is just silly considering cap ships have had a 10ly range since cap ships were cap ships. How can you write that into the lore of the game? You can't. So I propose a fix:

The good ol' tried and tested diminishing returns.
Lets say you work off the jump drive calibration skill. For every skill level you have invested in this skill you add a 1ly range to the carrier. this can be added to the traits of the ship so it won't effect jump freighters/black ops and the like. With level 5 skill in jump calibration you're back at the good ol' 10ly range of carriers.

Ah, but here's the trick: For every jump you take it reduces the capabilities of the ship. Lore wise it could be added the strain on the ship is so great that it reduces the capabilities of the ships jump drive. Now the base range you lose should be something like 3ly. This way small groups can conduct logistics easier and large groups are still weighed down from moving across eve when you consider the jump fatigue of jumping 10ly. (arm chair math shows something like an hour and a half jump fatigue timer and a 9 minuet reactivation timer)

Sounds legit? Sounds legit.

Jump fatigue is fantastic.
Only way to improve it is to reduce the bonuses on industrials and covert ships.

Diminishing returns apply to everything in eve. why can't it apply to this as well? I'm just suggesting doing it to carriers. Dreads could be left as they are and something about their bulk could be used to keep their range at 5ly.

Game balance > game lore. If anything, I'm waiting for the JF's to finally get smacked by the range nerf because it will finally mean that CCP has nullsec industry in a place where it's not utter shite.

i take issue with it lore wise. What I'm suggesting is make the jump range apply like everything in eve in a realistic and cohesive manner instead of just up and changing something because the null bears were jumping on players across the map. If you're so bitter vet that you have to jump someone's ass for posting here next time don't say anything at all.

diminishing returns is a fix that can turn a bad mechanic into a good one. I like the jump fatiuge and timers. the 5ly range is just plain silly.

The sole reason that JF's till have the 10LY range is that without it, everywhere that's not within 10-15LY of lowsec would become barren in a hurry. You would not be able to export highends to highsec for sale. You would not be able to import lowends for production.

And most importantly, you could not take your local racial moongoo and export it to highsec for processing into ships, and then purchase t2 modules and ships to export back to nullsec.

Lore takes a far back seat the to gameplay fact that it is impossible to do wide spectrum localized t2 production in nullsec. You literally cannot take the available moon minerals in a region, and go from goo to assembled ships across multiple races.

CCP has plants to eventually replace the current moongoo model with another method of getting goo that is not region locked, in order to enable t2 production in nullsec without needing to export everything and import everything t2.

Until then, you just get to live with the fact the JF's have a longer jump range than the others. Rationalize it however you wish. You are a RP'er after all, I hear you are good at making things up.

i see the open discussion here in the features & ideas forum is vigorous and constructive

Yeah but your current pressure level is fuckall. You don't present any point that are actually broken and need to be changed as opposed to the JF change that was based on the effect it would of had if the rage was not different from other jump-capable ships.

You don't need to fix what isn't broken.

Or nullblocks could actually do sufficient paroling of their space to make it viable to mine and rat in reasonable safety, with a standing Combat space patrol group 2 or 3 jumps out at worst, and strong nodal defensive forces and eyes on everything a couple jumps out, with good reasons to pay attention to the stellar geography and size of systems, so you can actually have a viable environment for industry which doesn't need to be babied along, and which contributes sufficient ships to replace most t1 hulls and t2 mods used for fleet fights, meaning null is self sufficient without all the massive buffs people keep handing to their industry.........