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Ecklectrix
#121 - 2015-04-14 14:27:22 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Why are CCP "supposed to" reimburse you if everything in their control, and everything they have promised to provide, is working to the best of their ability?

They even go above and beyond, trying to detect and prevent these external attacks on the network as best they can, because it is in their interest to. But it is not something they are contractually bound to do. I seriously doubt you even understand how the internet works, and this is leading to your faulty conclusions.


It's called unjust enrichment, look it up.

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#122 - 2015-04-14 14:37:19 UTC
Ecklectrix wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Why are CCP "supposed to" reimburse you if everything in their control, and everything they have promised to provide, is working to the best of their ability?

They even go above and beyond, trying to detect and prevent these external attacks on the network as best they can, because it is in their interest to. But it is not something they are contractually bound to do. I seriously doubt you even understand how the internet works, and this is leading to your faulty conclusions.


It's called unjust enrichment, look it up.


lol, this is not applicable, no party had been enriched deliberately or by chance in this case. CCP infact, is even the prime victim in all of this. Did CCP benefited in one way or another in this situation?

again, nice try. Lol

Just Add Water
Ecklectrix
#123 - 2015-04-14 14:42:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ecklectrix
They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did.

And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem.

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2015-04-14 14:46:39 UTC
QUESTION!

What if theoretically for the next 30 days these attacks happen multiple times a day.

Will it then be a problem worthy of compensation?

If so, what is the cut off point from no compensation to compensation?
10days? 15days? 7days? 30days?

You cant tell me with a straight face if this happens everyday for a month even if it aint ccps fault that we should continue to be charged.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#125 - 2015-04-14 14:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
These are relevant.

Ah, getting warmer.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#126 - 2015-04-14 14:57:16 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
QUESTION!

What if theoretically for the next 30 days these attacks happen multiple times a day.

Will it then be a problem worthy of compensation?

If so, what is the cut off point from no compensation to compensation?
10days? 15days? 7days? 30days?

You cant tell me with a straight face if this happens everyday for a month even if it aint ccps fault that we should continue to be charged.


you make it sound like your forced into paying money to ccp, its a games company not the government you are well within your rights to desub and file a dispute with paypal or credit card company to reverse your last months payment

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#127 - 2015-04-14 14:58:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
Ecklectrix wrote:
They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did.

And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem.


true you paid them, still no proof that they benefited from this, for all we know you are the one who chose not to avail their services. Smile

how can they be sure that you are indeed trying to log-in for real? after all their servers are fine. maybe you are just riding the wave and just want to seize the oppurtunity to take an advantage?

again, the burden of proof is on you, try again. Lol

Just Add Water
Ecklectrix
#128 - 2015-04-14 15:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ecklectrix
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Ecklectrix wrote:
They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did.

And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem.


true you paid them, still no proof that they benefited from this, for all we know you are the one who chose not to avail their services. Smile

how can they be sure that you are indeed trying to log-in for real? after all their servers are fine. maybe you are just riding the wave and just want to seize the oppurtunity to take an advantage?

again, the burden of proof is on you, try again. Lol


do you even know how a contract works?

I actually don't need to prove anything to you, your dis-Honor.

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#129 - 2015-04-14 15:03:41 UTC
its hardly a contract, you are merely agreeing to some terms which state they dont guarantee the service to be active 100% of the time

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#130 - 2015-04-14 15:03:49 UTC
Ecklectrix wrote:
They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did.


Tranquility has been up the whole time, thanks to a considerable effort on their part. EVE Online is not the Internet.

Ecklectrix wrote:
And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem.


One of the major appeals of DDOS attacks is that they are nearly impossible to trace to anyone. So what you are effectively asking is for CCP to take the blame and the financial hit on behalf of a party hostile to them.

All because you're losing your **** over access to a game.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Jenshae Chiroptera
#131 - 2015-04-14 15:06:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
I am getting more and more angry! X
Why won't people rage with me? Evil
I know I am special enough to start a mob! Cry

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Ecklectrix
#132 - 2015-04-14 15:07:29 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Ecklectrix wrote:
They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did.


Tranquility has been up the whole time, thanks to a considerable effort on their part. EVE Online is not the Internet.

Ecklectrix wrote:
And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem.


One of the major appeals of DDOS attacks is that they are nearly impossible to trace to anyone. So what you are effectively asking is for CCP to take the blame and the financial hit on behalf of a party hostile to them.

All because you're losing your **** over access to a game.


So I should bear the cost of it? All of the people affected should collectively bear the cost? CCP has insurance for that sort of thing, the consumer does not.

And tranquility was NOT up the whole time, tranquility was the target of the DDOS attacks.

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#133 - 2015-04-14 15:09:01 UTC
Ecklectrix wrote:

I don't need to understand how the interwebs works, so if you wish to insult me knowledge of how it does work go ahead, it is quite plainly irrelevant.
I also know that if I went around screwing my customers out of 4 days of work every quarter, I'd be out of business in a hurry.


Yawn.

It is simple.
Service paid for in advance. Service not recieved.
It doesn't get any simpler.

Tranquility was the target not "the general interwebs" nor, my "personal internet connection."



I knew it! Your expertise is contracts, but not the internet. You have no idea how the internet works, but believe that to be irrelevant to your case. You are wrong.

CCP does not provide the internet, they provide Tranquility. Tranquility was available. The internet between you and CCP was the broken part.

A good analogy would help here, and several were provided earlier, but you ignored them, so I'll stick to this case.

The service CCP provides does not include the internet. They provide game servers and game data and an account for you to login to and play on their servers, and they connect it to the internet to make it accessible to you. Their liability and ability to provide service ends at their connection to the internet.

If you knew a little more about how the internet worked, you might see things differently.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#134 - 2015-04-14 15:10:47 UTC
Iam The Flash wrote:
Yeh u gonna tell us all is fine again falcon

clearly it's not, 4th day in a row

but yeh

all is fine no?


Because its CCP's fault that some random got pissed off at his alliance leader's decision to drop sov, or evac, or whatever. Maybe mommy took away his credit card because he spent too much money on purple-fit Navy Ravens.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#135 - 2015-04-14 15:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
Ecklectrix wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Ecklectrix wrote:
They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did.

And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem.


true you paid them, still no proof that they benefited from this, for all we know you are the one who chose not to avail their services. Smile

how can they be sure that you are indeed trying to log-in for real? after all their servers are fine. maybe you are just riding the wave and just want to seize the oppurtunity to take an advantage?

again, the burden of proof is on you, try again. Lol


do you even know how a contract works?

I actually don't need to prove anything to you, your dis-Honor.


sure i do, but i am the one usually giving the service. Cool

so i won't let some wierdo to have thier way with me. i asked you a couple of times which obligation CCP didn't fullfill that you think violated your right?

you keep saying that, "i paid therefore i'll receive". well honey, it ain't that easy. you can give all your money to CCP, if what you're asking is beyond their obligation, you won't get schmuck.

Just Add Water
Ecklectrix
#136 - 2015-04-14 15:13:34 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
its hardly a contract, you are merely agreeing to some terms which state they dont guarantee the service to be active 100% of the time


yeah, thats called a contract bud.

And saying "you will pay us for a service that we don't gaurantee we can provide" is unfair terms which unduly benefit the offeror (which are always ammended in the favor of the consumer)

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#137 - 2015-04-14 15:16:45 UTC
relevant:
https://youtu.be/iXiAayQ8KRA

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Jenshae Chiroptera
#138 - 2015-04-14 15:16:53 UTC
Ecklectrix wrote:
I don't need to understand how the interwebs works, .
"I am trying to stand on two feet but one is in quicksand."

Ignorance confessed.
Operation successful.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#139 - 2015-04-14 15:18:32 UTC
Ecklectrix wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
its hardly a contract, you are merely agreeing to some terms which state they dont guarantee the service to be active 100% of the time


yeah, thats called a contract bud.

And saying "you will pay us for a service that we don't gaurantee we can provide" is unfair terms which unduly benefit the offeror (which are always ammended in the favor of the consumer)


do you realise how silly your argument actually sounds?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Ecklectrix
#140 - 2015-04-14 15:19:41 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ecklectrix wrote:
I don't need to understand how the interwebs works, .
"I am trying to stand on two feet but one is in quicksand."

Ignorance confessed.
Operation successful.



With your history of misquoting that's interesting.
However, show me where I need to understand how the internet works to know that when I pay for a service its either supplied or money back? Consumer rights bud, has absolutely JACK to do with the interwebs, so sue me, I don't NEED to know how it works, thats why I pay people to do that work for me...you know like CCP gets paid to provide me with 4 days of air...oh wait, that wasn't what I paid for.

"#Falcon_Punch" Justifying Bullying by CCP Staff since it's inception.

Exhibit A