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Point of a high security status
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jhanby
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-12-24 11:56:53 UTC
I'm not a new character, but I thought that this would be the best place to post this question.

From what I can see, the only benefit of a high security status (>+3) is that you could perform a bad act (pod somebody, for example) and not get a negative security status.

Would I be correct in thinking this ?

Are there any other benefits ?

thanks
John
Liam Mirren
#2 - 2011-12-24 12:50:21 UTC
Not really, no. Only other possible thing is fooling people into believing you're a carebear while you're not. If you're looking for trouble the BEST thing that can happen is people underestimating you.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2011-12-25 02:23:53 UTC
Another benefit of having a high security-status is that whomever attacks and kills you will suffer a higher % penalty.

This is especially useful in discouraging "weekend gankers/pirates" from attacking you in high-sec/low-sec.

How did you Veterans start?
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-12-25 15:03:34 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Not really, no. Only other possible thing is fooling people into believing you're a carebear while you're not. If you're looking for trouble the BEST thing that can happen is people underestimating you.


This is truth! One of the easiest ways to get the drop on people is to not be what they expect. Here's what I expect.

< -5: Lives in lowsec full-time, capable pvp pilot who can handle sentry guns
-5 to 0: Lives in lowsec but still needs highsec access. A lot less willing to pod kill people who aren't outlaws
Exactly 0.0 and older than a few months: Non-pvp Industry / hauling alt.
0.1-4.9: Only comes to lowsec rarely. Can't really tell much other than this, since pvp in nullsec doesn't affect sec. status
5.0: Either a super highsec carebear or someone who lives in nullsec full time. Looking at corp membership can help distinguish between these two cases.

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Chiana Moro
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#5 - 2011-12-25 17:03:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Chiana Moro
Kessiaan wrote:

0.1-4.9: Only comes to lowsec rarely. Can't really tell much other than this, since pvp in nullsec doesn't affect sec. status


Umm no ...
You actually can't say as much as character may be in transition from low to null sec.
I hate ratting, been in null for nearly 2 years. And there were some ... unfortunate accidents happening to fellow capsuleers

Kessiaan wrote:

5.0: Either a super highsec carebear or someone who lives in nullsec full time. Looking at corp membership can help distinguish between these two cases.


Possibly. Or, someone having a break from null, thus not being "super highsec carebears".
Basically you need to have a look at the corp history - sec status alone can give the wrong impression.
MinorFreak
Ordo Arcana
Void Chapter Requiem
#6 - 2011-12-25 18:11:38 UTC
well, i used to think that high sec meant total carebear. But, further consideration brings to mind nullsec ratting and anomaly running. You could be running into a nullsec PVPcombat expert who's never killed anyone in low sec and simply does ratting on the side for quick cash.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-12-25 18:53:38 UTC
IIRC, if you're in a militia and you only ever shoot at militia war-targets then you don't take a sec-status hit.

And having to use an alt to haul stuff around because you can't get back and forth to high-sec is a PITA. That, imo, is the biggest benefit of having a high sec-status. You can go wherever you want without the game punishing you for having played it "the wrong way."

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Toshiro GreyHawk
#8 - 2011-12-26 11:49:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk
It also depends on what kind of "piracy" the guy is conducting.

If he's ganking people - then yeah - that's going to lower his security status. For an event like Hulkageddon - what the gankers do - is go down to Null if they can - kill lots of rat battleships - and work their sec. stat all the way up to 5 - so they can, as the op deduced - spend more time ganking before they can't stay in Hi Sec any more.

The thing is - if the guy is can or wreck flipping people - or participating only in War Dec's - then he's not going to suffer any kind of security hit at all. When I was new - one of the guys that blew me up after looting one of my wrecks - had a 5.0 Security Standing.

*shrug*


There's other stuff that you can't tell that much from ...

For one thing - you'll see these guys with an orange icon and a little skull on it - but if you look closely - the bounty on the guy is like 1,000 ISK or something silly. Here - what people will do - is intentionally get themselves a slightly lower security status and have one of their alts place a bounty on them to low for anyone to actually bother with - so they can roam around Hi Sec looking like a bad ass ...

Now - if you can look at someone's kills - then that might be a better indicator of how good a PVP guy they are but most of this other stuff you can't really count on.

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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#9 - 2011-12-26 11:54:23 UTC
I strongly recommend turning the bounty/low security standing off in your overview settings as it gives no real information.
As explained by previous posters, a high (or low) security standing tells nothing about a characters intentions and can only mislead and confuse you.

One day (wishful face) CCP will give us a bounty system that is actually usefull Roll
Toshiro GreyHawk
#10 - 2011-12-26 12:06:22 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
I strongly recommend turning the bounty/low security standing off in your overview settings as it gives no real information.
As explained by previous posters, a high (or low) security standing tells nothing about a characters intentions and can only mislead and confuse you.

One day (wishful face) CCP will give us a bounty system that is actually usefull Roll




Yeah ... right now ... put a high bounty on some guy - and he'll just have his alt account collect it when he's in a rookie ship - so you're just giving the guy you want to punish a present by putting a bounty on him ...

.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-12-28 13:03:15 UTC
jhanby wrote:
I'm not a new character, but I thought that this would be the best place to post this question.

From what I can see, the only benefit of a high security status (>+3) is that you could perform a bad act (pod somebody, for example) and not get a negative security status.

Would I be correct in thinking this ?

Are there any other benefits ?

thanks
John


The penalties for pod killing pertains to all pilots within Empire space. The amount of penalty received is based on location and security status of victim. The security status penalties are very steep in high security and a bit less for low security space.

If your Victim has a high sec status and is pod killed by you in 1.0 or 0.9 high sec system, then you'll be hit with maximum security penalty regardless of your own personal security status. Doesn't matter if you have +5.00 or -5.00 personal security status. Concord does not condone Pod kills in Empire. Low security systems have less severe penalties. However, there is no penalty for destroying pods belonging to War Targets, same for players in 0.0 and Wormhole Space.

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Kahz Niverrah
Distinguished Johnsons
#12 - 2011-12-28 13:27:19 UTC
People with high sec statuses tend to drop the best loot. Just sayin'.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#13 - 2011-12-30 09:35:49 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Another benefit of having a high security-status is that whomever attacks and kills you will suffer a higher % penalty.

This is especially useful in discouraging "weekend gankers/pirates" from attacking you in high-sec/low-sec.

Wouldn't that make you a juicer target too though...

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Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#14 - 2011-12-30 11:50:20 UTC
i heard somewhere it effected Concord response time (higher = faster)...or was that cake a lie?

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Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-30 12:13:16 UTC
It was. Response time depends on system security (ie. slower in 0.5, faster in 1.0).
ganks theman
Universal Exos
#16 - 2012-01-02 06:44:59 UTC
i say remove low sec give us 0.0 and hi sec
0.1 and 0.4 cost you sec stats you blow people up and no one love it

ganks theman =  gangster man :P