EVE General Discussion

Oh forgot step 4.5
Make asteriods not die when they run out of ore and keep them on the overview despite lacking any usable ore left.

<- Points at the ore scanner.
<- Points at the possibility that refining skills factoring into ore scanner results.
<- Points at graphically observing the rock for possible duds, mined out roids.
<- Points at obseving where other miners been in the belt.

Just a few simple changes and you get a level higher of interactivity.

My bitterness is, that is TO EASY for highsec gankers.

I buy a TECH 2 ship for 400 MILLION ISK without fitting, with fitting it can reach 1 BILLION easily.
And a stupid nobrain wannabe e-peen sucker without real life just need a damn T1 ship for less then 100 million WITH fitting where half the slots are empty (guns+4 ups REST EMPTY) to destroy it in seconds WITHOUT any changs to survive => 100% and total balance FAIL!!
And that's in HIGH SECURE SPACE where Concord should handle this sorts of criminal actions.

If Concord can't get in in time ... how the **** should a player be able too??
Concord reacts in 10 or less seconds. A mining barg needs MORE time to alligne! And no, staying at full speed is NO OPTION. Same for faction mods which would make them just a more likely target!

In addition, every time there are one or more stupid kids, which try to give fail by intend advises like "fit tank, don't mine when XY happens bla bla bla" ... I wish to see YOUR reaction, when someone tells you, to NOT do what every you want to do at any time. YOU would collaps this forum with all your pink baby whining!

1) ANY ship must be fitteble by using just common T2 mods WITHOUT fitting mods (ak no CPU, no grid upgrades!)
Every sucking cruiser fit includes LARGH T2 shield extender ... but a TECH TWO cruiser size ship can't even fit T2 MEDIUM?
Just a realy REALY bad joke from CCP!
No ship designer with brain would construct such a bullshit of a hull!
Either nerv combat ships so that anything but BS+ size is UNABLE to fit largh extender/1600mm plates OR buff bargs and haulers so they can fit the same mods!

2) Other ore resurces (drones/loot) must be overhault to bring profit from this profession in line again!

I do not say make it easier. Hell, make it more difficult as long as it isn't as boring as now.
I just say: give the mining proffesionals the same changs and tools as other proffesions have!

RL Situation? Look at a Bulldozer (call it Covey the Covetor). It's got nothing to defend itself besides the civilization it resides in (equivalent of hisec). If you wanted to blow up the bulldozer and had an RPG or some dynamite or some gasoline and a match, the bulldozer isn't going to stop you. The bulldozer driver isn't going to stop you from inside the bulldozer.

The security guards and police might, if you're not quick about it, but those are analogous to players in combat ships and CONCORD.

Take an armored Bulldozer (call it Hulkey the Hulk). They're armored to provide a little bit of time for their security to eliminate the threat, but if security isn't timely, or the threat is overwhelming, it's going to explode on the second RPG round, stick of dynamite, or Moltov. Industrial companies keep their equipment safe by making the area the equipment works in safe. Not by arming the equipment. This is because industrial equipment is not designed for combat (otherwise it would be called Combat equipment).


It shouldn't be able to survive (while fitted for mining yield) because a mining ship should never be able to do significant amounts of damage while fitted for mining (Combat Hulks are HI-Larious, but aren't mining ships anymore), and in PvP if you're not shooting back, you're going to die.

To the guy above,

Player protection is nearly just as useless in todays situation with hulks popping faster than the gaurds could respond. Fully tanked out hulks cannot withstand suicide gankers in today's envrionment either.

If you want to prove me wrong, goto the gallente high sec belts and get ganked in that hulk you thought should have survived.

Matter of factly I challenge you to counter the gallente belt ganking to the point the goons leave you alone there.

Also they do make amored bulldozers its time eve got the equivalent.

And no its not a shovel protecting against an ak-47 which some are quite capable at doing vs regular clothes. Its a shovel protecting against an RPG which doesnt work on any degree (then agian alot of traditional armor doenst work against an RPG either as rpgs basically create a nuclear explosion on the other side of the armor they penetrate.)

and Ill agree with gunminign needs to go. Metalevel Blueprints and the additional meta-level parts needed to build the module to drop instead.

With this you disqualified yourselve.

Ibis == titan hull yes yes
combat ship thorax mining == mining ship coveto dishing out 500+ DPS

troll more



People like you are the one, who destroy any reputation for real PvP players with your FAIL comments.

But Titans are ship hulls and all ships should be able to use the same modules. You're complaint was that the Hulk's powergrid is tiny. My point is that it's big enough for strip miners and enough tank to survive even the toughest rats. That's what it is designed to do.

You're making my point yourself. You're in a mining ship and a Thorax is a combat ship. That's why it can use heavy duty tanking modules and your Hulk can't.

I don't take your comments out of context, I'd ask you to afford me the same courtesy.

The Defensive buffer modules don't have sizes. They have fitting requirements. In fact if we start at the top and match ship hulls with tank mods:
LSE -- Battleship
MSE -- Cruiser
SSE -- Frigate
MicroSE --- ?

If we go from the bottom up, or we include Battlecruisers, it gets worse for your argument.

If we accept the premise that tank modules have sizes that relate to ship hull sizes (which I don't accept), then the fact that combat ships can fit oversized tanking modules shouldn't bother you.

By far the easy pickings to fix this is simply to massively increase hull HP.

Ever used hull repair? It sucks BAD. Having to sit outside station with a hull repper or three will keep an attempted ship out of mining for a while but will not cost him/her the ship.

This will end alot of the ganking.

See, not "we" accept your premise. You want it have it this way as it favors your Piracy.
Known for a long time now. PvP player just cry for balance if it FAVORS their playstyle ;).

MicroSE and 50mm (maybe even 100mm) are moduls for low SP chars which they can use to fill the cap between "use no modul and have empty slot" and "use comon pew pew fittings".

For the rest you made the right list.
LSE == BS (LARGH moduls for LARGH hulls)
MSE == C (MEDIUM moduls for MEDIUM hulls)
SSE == F (SMALL moduls for SMALL hulls)

BC are oversized MEDIUM hulls (they still use medium rigs and medium weapons (until the last patch)).

Well, I don't care, if a Caracal can fit TWO LSE ... but it's just a bad joke from you, to claim "mining ships shouldn't be allowed to use ONE MSE at the same time".
And that's what you do!
This just let one conclusion: you try hard to troll and claime balance to your favor (ak WANT INBALANCE).

From the link "I gank your barg, you gank my POS ..."
So you EXPECT and FORCE every one to wast their training time (SP) for combat skills just as YOU want it this way.

Some player do NOT want to be fighters.
So who are you to FORCE them to be one?