Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Stations should give bonuses to SP training while you're docked there. If you want bonuses outside the station, use implants. Implants would not stack with station SP bonuses. This would push players to actually undock with implants if they want the SP bonuses while undocked. Otherwise, they'll enjoy the SP bonuses once their done and they dock again.
SP bonuses from station docking should be the same regardless of the station (NPC, player owned, etc.).

What do you guys think?

Can you elaborate?

Let me clarify:

Flat, uniform, maximum bonuses for docked characters that do NOT stack with existing implants.

If you want bonuses to continue while undocked, you have to use implants.

In what I'm proposing, implants are only useful if you undock with them.

I worked for my implants, are you going to take away my improved sp/hr (relative to players who didn't get them) simply because I'm not undocked and cloakied up at a safe spot?

also, how does this work for those logged off in empty space (WH'ers in particular)

if you make people in station train at the speed of +5's (or better), you add a disincentive for those without +5's to undock (BAAAAD!), although +5's become pretty much mandatory for skill training, the bigger the buff, the greater the disincentive

if you make people in station train at the speed of +4's or lower, you penalise those with +5's who are unable to log in directly after DT (such as USTZ) to get their toon into space (if they don't get the implant bonus whilst logged off), or they start logging off in space, people will go AFK cloaky, (cloaks skyrocket in price; start investing) instead of AFK in station, market traders and other professions that spend a lot of their time in station (but can work from outside station with correct skills) find those skills become mandatory, those who can't avoid spending time in station get penalized.

tl;dr
all I see this doing is providing disincentive to undock, if implemented one way, penalizing those who can't log in until later after DT if implemented another, or just kicking people out of station to AFK cloaked if implemented another

please explain how you would implement it (what level the attribute bonus would be at, and what happens to those logged off; both in space and in station)
and how it actually does any good to any player given the work-arounds I've just suggested (afk cloaked in space)

also - which player group should benefit from this and which should this mechanic penalise if they don't play by the rules you want them to play?

How does the mechanic encourage people remain docked? If they get blown up and end up back at a station, they are getting bonuses. There's nothing to lose. If they want to continue to get bonuses while undocked, they have to buy implants.

This would discourage buying implants and then sitting in a station with them.

Interesting idea regarding nerfing SP rate while docked. Essentially I'm proposing two things:

-Implant SP bonuses don't work while docked.

-Stations give SP bonuses while docked.

True, the station bonus would need to be the same as the maximum implant bonuses. As it is now, there's already a disincentive to undock with implants. With this change, there would be no advantage to staying docked.

Also, if I wasn't clear, if you log off in space with implants, those SP bonuses from your implants continue to work while you're logged off (just like they do now).

AFK (or logged off) cloaking in space (with maximum bonuses from implants) would be the same as AFKing (or logging off) in a station regardless of implants.

if the station give an bonus equal to +5's, there's a HUGE disincentive for anyone without +5's to undock (less sp/hr), and no new incentive to undock with implants


therefore there needs to be a sp/hr NERF whilst docked (say no bonuses to sp/hr from implants)

AFK-ing
how do you know whether I'm AFK at a safe or AFK waiting for that juicy ratting/sleepering carrier/tengu/drake to do something to make itself vulnerable (such as changing alignment) or AFK 90km from a POS gleaning intel?
do you penalise me for using a cloak? - that'd massively punish WH space (where a cloak is pretty much mandatory for stalking any kind of prey)

logging off in space
people will log off in space instead of stations, probably at POS's /garage door of stations

As the others said;none will undock. Also EVERYONE will stay online and docked (AFK) while they sleep/work/etc. The server will be full in a matter of less than a day after that patch.

Bad idea.

Not sure what you mean. I never said you had to be logged in for any of this to work.

So what's the point in undocking?

You're creating an incentive for new players to find things to do that don't require them to undock because the alternative is to spend a load of ISK on implants they can lose. If they want to go mission they're effectively paying for it with SP, and that's not a good trade off.